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Contents 1 M3 Bradley CFV - Remove from article? 2 IFV: Combination of Light Tank and APC? 3 Please add SPz Puma 4 Removed Stryker and M3 Bradley CFV 5 Flat tires

[edit] M3 Bradley CFV - Remove from article?

Just curious if I should remove the M3 CFV from the article? Technically, it's an M2 with more sensors, more reloads and carries two scouts (not infantrymen). Keep or remove? Edward Sandstig 23:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IFV: Combination of Light Tank and APC?

I've read that IFV's are basically a combination of a Light tank/armored car and an APC. Would anyone object to my adding this to the article? Oberiko 16:04, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

The concept of the IFV entails that it's somehow an improvement on an APC in that it is either a "FIV" allowing the infantry to use it weapons under armour or can support the infantry with armament more effective than a mere machine gun. Neither of these qualities is implicated by the fact that it would be a light tank or an armoured car. An armoured car indeed could have no armament at all; adding some small machine gun turret to an APC would hardly make it an IFV. The "combination of a light tank/armoured car and an APC" - metaphore tries to express and confuses two different aspects: that an APC can have either tracks or wheels; that an IFV is heavier armed than an APC — just like a tank or armoured car often is. Far from enlightening the reader this description can only lead to an incoherent understanding. So yes, I...;o).

--84.27.81.59 3 July 2005 15:36 (UTC)

I agree. I'd also add that although many IFVs have some of the characteristics of light tanks, the statement "IFV's are basically a combination of a Light tank/armored car and an APC" is too general and may conflate tanks and IFVs in other ways, in which they are very different. Even though the same or similar vehicle may in some cases be used in both roles (e.g. the carrier and reconnaissance versions of the U.S. Bradley), they are employed in different organizations, their crews are trained very differently, and they are equipped differently. —Michael Z. 2005-07-4 17:12 Z

[edit] Please add SPz Puma

you should add the SPz PUMA, which will replace the German Marder in a couple of years. this makes the SPz PUMA the most modern IFV afaik. --Slinter 20:16, 14 March 2006 (UTC) No, don't. It's not in service yet. When it is in service it may be the most modern AFV in terms of build, but I don't know what it would have that recently upgraded Bradley's may have not have. 145.253.108.22 13:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Germany has a preseries run of 5 Pumas in active service as of January 2007. Kato2k6 00:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Stryker and M3 Bradley CFV

I removed the Stryker from the article, since there currently isn't an IFV variant of the said vehicle. Also removed the M3 Bradley Cavalry Fighting Vehicle. --Edward Sandstig 19:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flat tires

Moreover, many of the wheeled vehicles can extract themselves from the battlefield even on flat tires. A tracked IFV would require a heavy vehicle to tow it out of the same situation.

Tracked IFVs don't get flat tires (although they can drop a track). Anything which would wreck a tracked suspension could take out enough wheels and axles to render a wheeled AFV un-drivable, too. —Michael Z. 2006-11-13 04:22 Z

Not strictly true. A mine which breaks a track will often only blow a wheel off a well designed 6x6 or 8x8 armoured vehicle. British Saladin Armoured cars were renowned for coming back to base with wheels missing during some of the more violent clashes that came with the end of empire. A M113 or FV432 would not have made it backin such circumstances.

Fair enough. I'm just saying that the statement in the article is oversimplified, implying a false, over-generalized conclusion. Many things which can flatten a tire wouldn't even affect a tracked vehicle. Perhaps there are some multi-axled exceptions, but it's wrong to imply that "wheeled vehicles can drive out of anything that would immobilize a track." —Michael Z. 2006-11-24 17:10 Z

That entire section reads a bit childish to me. I will try and improve. 145.253.108.22 13:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)