Talk:Interstate 35

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Contents 1 Links 2 Major cities 3 Interstate table changes 4 Control cities designations 5 Old routebox content 6 Exit table 6.1 Texas 6.2 Oklahoma 6.3 Kansas 6.4 Missouri 7 IH vs. I?

[edit] Links

Hmm.. Dallas/Fort Worth and Minneapolis/St. Paul are not links..

I suppose if I change this page, then there'll be 50 others to change too..

[edit] Major cities

Should we remove Albert Lea, MN from the list? It's not even a major city in Minnesota. Even though it lies at the junction of I-35 & I-90, it's not very significant of its own accord.

• Well, technically Mason City, IA isn't even on I-35 -- it's approximately 8 miles east. I-35 actually runs through eastern Clear Lake, and the original two Mason City exits (not counting the exit for 'new' Highway 18, which only goes east) are signed as "Clear Lake/Mason City". However, I would vote to keep both Albert Lea and Mason City on the list -- they are know, at least locally, and provide landmarks for where the interstate falls. --Rehcsif 17:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
• The significance of Albert Lea and Mason City being on the list is that they are AASHTO control cities as designated on the highway. That's why I think they should stay, regardless of size. —C.Fred (talk) 21:48, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

That makes sense, thanks. --Rehcsif 21:54, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interstate table changes

Added I-30 as a major junction and Laredo, Waco & San Antonio to 'major cities' list. Laredo (170k), Waco (120k) & San Antonio (1.3m) meet requirements. Houston, however, was removed because it's 180 miles east of I-35. 208.190.154.22 20:17, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Whoops, I shouldn't add infoboxes late at night; it makes reading maps hard. :P Thanks for your fix! Scott5114 19:36, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Control cities designations

I'm a bit concerned about the apparently dated nature of the source list for control cities linked to this page. In addition to being purely an Adelphia subscriber's personal web site, the information pertaining to I-35 is somewhat inaccurate. The page lists I-35's use of alternating control cities for Dallas/Fort Worth both north and south of DFW. I know for a fact that 'Denton' is used as a control city from the north (also, 'Dallas' in Oklahoma), and has been for some 15 years or so now. Also, Temple is used extensively as a control city both south of Waco and north of Austin (although, it's co-signed with Waco). And new overheads have recently been placed just north of Norman indicating 'Norman' as a new control city for I-35 south of Oklahoma City. Thanks for reading this - are you asleep yet? :P --Emersonbiggins85 05:46, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Temple may appear on the sign as a destination city, but is it a control city? If it's signed as Temple/Waco, then Waco is the control city. I can't recall now whether 35 SB lists Temple only coming out of town. I'd like to see the AASHTO list first-hand, but the only place it seems to be online is that reprint. C.Fred 06:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I've tried unsuccessfully to track down an I-35 Temple control city sign anywhere on the net. However, here is a link for Denton as a control city for I-35, found in Gainesville. Notice that US 77 was cosigned with I-35 originally, but removed in the mid-90s or so. 'Denton', SB I-35 This recent sign in Dallas legitimizes the control city status for Denton as the control city for I-35E, and a similar situation exists for I-35W. 'Denton', NB I-35E--Emersonbiggins85 21:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Here is a link for Norman, OK as a control city on I-35. I believe that this only exists on a couple of southbound signs, and is probably yet another ODOT anomaly, seeing as many violations of standard signage protocol occur on their watch. 'Norman', SB I-35--208.190.154.22 15:52, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Of course, all of this could call into question the officiality of the respective state DOTs in adhering to federal guidelines for control cities, though the 'Denton' guidesigns are so old that they exist in button-copy form. 1990~ish

--Emersonbiggins85 05:58, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

That sort of stuff happens all the time. I believe the term for it is intermediate destination if memory of the MUTCD serves correctly. They're not official control cities but intended to aid navigation, especially around urban areas. (Side note - one thing I always think of when I see that I-35 Norman sign you linked to is "if you've made it this far, you're going to Norman, like it or not.") Scott⁵¹¹⁴ 05:21, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I wholeheartedly agree about the Norman designation, but I am less convinced that particular designation applies for Denton, as it is signed both southbound from the north (all the way from the Red River) and northbound from the south out of both Dallas and Fort Worth. For all intensive purposes, it is treated just like Waco is treated to the south of DFW, which is an official AASHTO control city. Both have equal standing, at least according to the signs that exist. Probably another codified and copied TxDOT inconsistency. --Emersonbiggins85 16:54, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old routebox content

This was the previous content of the routebox, before the reformulation. It might be useful for making exit guides sometime in the future.

Mexican Border	TX 0
I-10	TX 153-156
I-37	TX 158
I-20	TX 418 (I-35E)
I-30	TX 427-428 (I-35E)
I-40	OK 126-128
I-44	OK 133-138
I-70	MO 2
I-29	MO 4-8
I-80	IA 72-87
I-90	MN 13
I-94	MN 107 (I-35E)
Minnesota State Highway 61	MN 259

[edit] Exit table

[edit] Texas
Number	Mile	Destinations		Notes
1A		Scott St./Washington St.	Laredo
1B		Park St./Sanchez St.
2		U.S. Route 59 Corpus Christi/Freer/Houston
3A		Calton Rd.
3B		Interstate 35 Business San Bernardo Ave/Mann. Rd.
4		Image:Texas FM 1472.svg Farm to Market Road 1472 Del Mar Blvd./Santa Maria Ave.
7		Shiloh Dr./Las Cruces Dr.
?		Texas State Highway Loop 20 World Trade Bridge
[edit] Oklahoma
see Interstate 35 in Oklahoma
[edit] Kansas
	Mile	Destinations		Notes
4		U.S. 166/81 Arkansas City South Haven	Kansas Turnpike	Free exit
17		Southern Terminal toll plaza		Replaced old toll plaza under U.S. 160 bridge, opened spring 2003 [1]
19		U.S. 160 Wellington Winfield
26		Belle Plaine Service Center		Opened in May 1998, burned down in 2002 due to a grease fire, and was later rebuilt[2]
33		U.S. 81/K-53 Mulvane
39		U.S. 81 Haysville/Derby
42		I-135/I-235/U.S. 81 Wichita/Salina	Wichita
45		K-15 Wichita
50		U.S. 54/400 Kellogg Ave.
53		K-96 Wichita
57		Andover	Kansas Turnpike
65		Towanda Service Center
71		K-254 El Dorado
76		U.S. 77 El Dorado North		Nick Badwey Plaza
92		K-177 Cassoday
97		Matfield Green Service Center		Contains a memorial to football coach Knute Rockne, who died in a plane crash near Bazaar, Kansas[3]
127		I-35/U.S. 50 Emporia/Kansas City		Mainline becomes Interstate 335
128A		U.S. 50 West Newton	Emporia
128B		Industrial Rd.
130		K-99 Merchant St.		National Teachers Hall of Fame
131		Burlingame Rd.
133		U.S. 50 West 6th Ave.		U.S. 50 joins northbound and splits southbound
135		County Rd R1
138		County Rd U
141		K-130 Neosho Rapids/Hartford
148		K-276 Lebo		Sun Dance Park
155		U.S. 75 Lyndon/Burlington
160		K-31 North Melvern		K-31 joins northbound and splits southbound Melvern Lake
161		K-31 South Waverly		K-31 splits northbound and joins southbound
170		Williamsburg/Pomona		Was once K-273[4] Pomona Lake
		Rest Area
176		Homewood
182		Business U.S. 50 Eisenhower Rd.	Ottawa
183		U.S. 59 Lawrence/Garnett
185		15th St.
187		K-68 Ottawa/Louisburg		Ottawa Univ., Old Depot Museum
193		Tennessee Ave.		Baldwin City LeLoup
198		K-33 Wellsville
202		Edgerton
207		Gardner Rd.	Gardner
210		U.S. 56 West Gardner		U.S. 56 joins northbound and splits southbound
215		U.S. 169 South/K-7 Paola	Olathe	U.S. 169 joins northbound and splits southbound Great Mall of the Great Plains
217		Old Highway 56		Southbound only
218		Santa Fe		Kansas State School for the Deaf
220		119th St.
222A-B		Interstate 435	Lenexa	U.S. 169 splits northbound and joins southbound
224		95th Street
225A		87th Street		Northbound exit number is 225
225B		U.S. 69 South Overland Parkway		Southbound only U.S. 69 joins northbound and splits southbound
227		75th Street	Merriam
228A		67th Street
228B-C		U.S. 56 East/U.S. 69 North Shawnee Mission Parkway (63rd St.)		U.S. 56 and 69 split northbound and join southbound
229		Johnson Dr.
230		Antioch Rd.	Overland Park
231		I-635 North U.S. 69 South Metcalf Ave.	Mission	U.S. 69 joins northbound and splits southbound Kansas City International Airport
232B		Roe Avenue	Kansas City
232C		U.S. 69 North 18th Street Expy.		U.S. 69 splits northbound and joins southbound
233A		Southwest Blvd.
233B		Mission Rd.
234		U.S. 169 7th St. Trfwy./Rainbow Blvd.
235		Cambridge Circle
[edit] Missouri
	Mile	Destinations		Notes

[edit] IH vs. I?

Where in Central Texas is IH actually used? Nova SS 03:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I've seen it in general use in the Waco area, in Yellow Pages ads and the like. I specifically point out this restaurant listing: note the address given for Dock's River Front. It's also used in San Antonio: see these hotel directions. —C.Fred (talk) 04:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but the implication is that Texas has a unique way of referring to Interstates that no other state uses. That is totally false. For example, see Google searches on IH-35 in Kansas, Oklahoma, Misery, Iowa, Minnesota. Only a pinhead says "eye hech thirty five" when talking about I-35 in everyday conversation about an Interstate.

I know what this is about: TxDOT uses IH in its internal designations, but this is obscure trivia that does not belong on the topic summary. Furthermore, who's to say that other state DOTs don't use this?

If this "IH" abbreviation is noteworthy, it is noteworthy only as trivia. Also, since it is not unique to Texas, if anything needs to be said about this "IH" thing, it needs to be on every Interstate highway page or on the master Interstate highways page.

Nova SS 14:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

On the service/feeder roads around Denton I distinctly remember signs reading IH-35 SERVICE ROAD, so it's not only internal. Perhaps the IH- designation could be mentioned further down the page, in the Notes section. The clause about IH- was added to the article lead by an anon a couple of months ago. ...Scott⁵¹¹⁴ 18:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)