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[edit] The idea
The idea of this template is that it adds the correct font as {{IPA}} does, but also adds the tedious [[International Phonetic Alphabet|IPA]] bit as well. It also puts the /slashes/ in for you. — Chameleon 13:51, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
- Do we really want transcriptions like these to be phonemic? There are plenty of languages where this would be nearly useless even if one knows IPA. Japanese, for example. And a lot of rather relevant assimilations and allophones could get lost in the process.
- Peter Isotalo 10:33, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
- I've changed the slashes to square brackets, as recommended in the Manual of Style, and redirected the IPA link to IPA Chart for English, which is a more useful starting point for newbies.--Chris 19:07, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
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- The MoS states "The use of slashes is permitted in cases where the pronunciation represents only phonemes." Note also that slashes are widely used on Wikipedia as they are elsewhere. Indeed, if the transcription is phonemic slashes are the norm. Of course, we may also want to use square brackets. If the transcription is phonetic, then this is what you'd usually use.
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- So rather than its being a question of whether to use one or the other, I'd suggest that either be allowed for. Of course, this could be done by leaving the slashes or brackets out altogether but then there's the question of whether to link to International Phonetic Alphabet or to IPA Chart for English.
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- If it's an English phonemic transcription, then the best page to link to (at present)* would be IPA Chart for English. If, however, the transcription is phonetic, then International Phonetic Alphabet would be better because a phonetic transcription is likey to contain symbols which in English phonemic transcriptions are either used in a different way or not used at all. This will be particularly true if the phonetic transcription is of another language.
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- What I therefore suggest is that we should have (at least) two templates. One template should be for phonetic transcriptions, use square brackets and link to International Phonetic Alphabet. The other should be for phonemic transcriptions of English, use slashes and link to IPA Chart for English (until or unless there is a better page).
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- The easiest way to go about this, it seems to me, would be as follows. First have this page retain its square brackets but make it link to International Phonetic Alphabet as it used to. Second create a new template perhaps call it {{IPA-Eng}}, let it use slashes and link to IPA Chart for English (for the moment).
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- Now, the possibility will remain for the creation of templates specifically for phonemic transcriptions of languages other to English as need be. We might, for example, create a {{IPA-Jap}} and link it to Japanese phonology.
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- *Discussions at MoS (pron) Talk might lead to the creation of a standardised phonemic IPA transcription for Wikipedia. If so, then we might have a better page to link to which will probably be found in the Help namespace. Jimp 4Oct06
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- P.S. Okay, this template does link to International Phonetic Alphabet ... I should have checked. I've created {{IPAAusE}}. I'll get around to making others. Jimp 03:29, 17 November 2006 (UTC) I'm about to make another: {{IPAEng}}. Jimp 08:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- IPA is normally (in the dictionaries I have seen) written within square brackets "[...]", without round parenthesizes, then. So, I think, the template should be changed, or a new one created, so that
{{IPA|name}}
expands to
[[International Phonetic Alphabet|[name]]]
producing name within square brackets, and the whole, a link to the IPA page; like [name]. Example use: Sol [sɑl], ... This looks good, and is less cumbersome than the current indication of "IPA" everywhere. --Haberg 12:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] IPA fonts added to the common style sheet
IPA fonts have been added to the style sheet at MediaWiki:Common.css. To apply them to a table, div, or other HTML element, just add class="IPA" to its attributes. More information at Template talk:IPA#Font declaration has been moved to Common.css. —Michael Z. 2005-10-4 20:47 Z
[edit] Colon
I don't think the colon is good style. The format (IPA [ðɪs]) is (IMHO) clearer and simpler than (IPA: [ðɪs]), and in no way ambiguous. --Macrakis 13:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Correct treatment of wikilinks inside the transcription
Now, they are not processed as one would like them to:
- [[[ʂ]]]
I suggest to change the bracket characters to HTML entities--this way it's fine:
- [ʂ]
--Imz 22:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] New template
I've created a new template based on this one: {{pronounced}}. It does exactly what it says on the tin, allowing you to use a more natural-sounding wording that's less confusing for people who don't know what IPA is. Something like this: "Wikipedia (pronounced [wɪkɪˈpiːdɪə])..." --Blisco 19:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Why are [ ] incuded
I just discovered this template when I tried to create it. However, I did not intend to include the brackets []. That leaves the option for the user to make a choice between // and []. What do you think, is it worthwhile to create an additional one doing that? Any suggestions for its name? −Woodstone 21:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, I think either the square brackets should be removed or replaced by slashes. After all, narrow transcriptions are, as stated in the Phonetic transcription page, "rarely representative of all speakers of a language." And often, the transcriptions are in fact broad but enclosed in square brackets (e.g. the use of /r/ instead of /ɹ/). NisseSthlm 23:35, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Interwiki
Please, add sl:Predloga:IPA2. Thanks a lot. --Eleassar my talk 14:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- Done. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 02:10, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
