Talk:Istro-Romanian language
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Can we have some details in the discussion on whether this language descends from immigrants from the east, or from original population before Slavic immigration?
- Linguists say it split about a thousand years ago from the Maramures region of Northern Transylvania. If it were formed in Istria, it should be more similar to the Dalmatian dialects.
Judging by the name in Croatian, which is "Istro-Romanski" or Istro-Roman, and not "Istro-Rumunjski" or Istro-Romanian, it seems that the linguists that promulgated the name here felt that they descended from the original Roman population. --Joy [shallot] 19:41, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- I don't know why could that be.
- They ought to have listened to the name they use for themselves: "rumâri" which is closer to "rumunj" than to "romani". :-)
- It's interesting that although this language is closer to Romanian than Aromanian, at first it seems more distant and harder to understand due to the different accentuation of the words. Bogdan | Talk 21:09, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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- Judging by Dalmatian language#Language_sample:_Lord.27s_Prayer, I can't judge much :) As an aside it seems interesting that it has an apparent abundance of Croatian loanwords: odprost* (oprost*), dutz*n* (dužn*), craliestvo (kraljevstvo), sveta (svet), napastovanie (napast), zbăveşte (izbaviti)... --Joy [shallot] 21:32, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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- Perhaps so. Listening to ads in Romanian, I noticed quite a number of words common with Croatian (but I cannot say who borrowed from whom - or we both borrowed from, say, Hungarian). However, Istro-Romanian certainly has many loanwords from Croatian, Slovenian and Italian. For example, in UNESCO's Istro-Romanian segment in endagered language series one can hear a phrase "zastita de blago" (protection of livestock) - both "zaštita" and "blago" are Croatian words.
According to my education and books I have, the Istro-Romanian population and language is indeed more closely related to Romanian than Italian. A good pointer might be that Vlachs are also called "Cincari" and the mountain in Istria is called Čičarija. Zocky 15:22, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Let me just note that "Cincari" is a name used for some of Vlachs in eastern Serbia, as far as I know. BTW, the mountain is Ćićarija, not Čičarija (understandable error - Croatian in Istria doesn't have Č, Slovenian doesn't have Ć :) . --bonzi 20:14, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
