Talk:Italian fascism

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Most of the External Links are to marginal libertarian analysts. This section should be expanded.--Cberlet 21:45, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

The article seems to suggest that Italy's anti-semitic laws brought it closer to Nazi Germany. The laws were introduced largely at Hitler's insistance and were never particularly popular or as strictly enforced as in Germany.

Contents 1 Mergefrom National Fascist Party 2 Contradiction? 3 Historical inaccuracy 4 Merger? 5 A Fascist Calendar? 6 Misleading

[edit] Mergefrom National Fascist Party

I don't think that the smaller article should be outright merged into this one, but we're in serious danger of unnecessary and possibly confusing forking here. I think we should discuss which information goes in this article, and which in that.

In general, I think information about Italian fascist movements in general should go here -- which means another mergefrom Fascio -- and information on the party itself should go in National Fascist Party, which could probably also use some of the text now in Benito Mussolini. Then, of course, there's the question of Italian government during the Fascist period; History_of_Italy_as_a_monarchy_and_in_the_World_Wars says that that should go here, but there's also The Italian Economy under Fascism, 1922-1939 to consider (and clean up)...

I think we can add to the list of failures of fascism the difficulty of writing encyclopedia entries about it when government, state, party, and Duce are all wrapped up together like this. ;) --Stlemur 09:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

As is, the article for the party is not redundant to this article. I think the solution is simple and widely available on wikipedia: Under the Rise to power subheader, write See also or Main article (in the form:

Main article: National Fascist Party

On the PNF page, perhaps write a

==See also==
*[[Italian fascism]]

I really think this is the way to prevent repetitions and forks.Dahn 16:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

In fact, I think relevant info should be moved on the PNF page rather than stick with other articles. This article could summarize the trends that led to the creation of the party and review major events, but bulk info should feature there. Dahn 16:27, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction?

"However, it is incorrect that he publicly took responsibility." This is what it says on the page about Matteotti.

Yet here it says "[..]he took upon himself all of the responsibility for the assassination of Matteoti and the other squadrist violence, proclaimed a de facto dictatorship[...]".

Is that the same as saying one is publicly responsible? I may be arguing semantics - or not understanding what it says correctly - but then it needs a rephrasing?

Anyone know enough about the subject to care to comment? 87.2.169.169 07:06, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Historical inaccuracy

"Similar political movements, including Nazism, spread across Europe and Latin America between World War I and World War II" - Fascism occurred in many other areas beside Europe and Latin America. SolitaryWolf 12:58, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

In reply to Stlemur's change, unfortunately Japan cannot be considered strictly fascist - Kita Ikki advocated limits be imposed on personal wealth and private enterprise. This suggests a Marxist influence… I was actually referring to the Fascist movement around that time in the US... SolitaryWolf 01:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Nonetheless, having mentioned "...spread across the rest of the world" - its fine. SolitaryWolf 01:37, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merger?

Seems like a good idea.--Cberlet 01:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Fascist Calendar?

There is a carved inscription on the Mediterranean island Crete (Rhodes ?) that records the restoration of an ancient site by occupying Italians not on a conventional year but instead "in the nnth year of Fascism". Does anyone know whether Mussolini's fascist agenda included replacing the christian calendar years with a new system? If so, what was their year zero (1922 ?) and did they plan the handling of leap-days and leap-seconds for the long term? (cuddlyable3) 84.210.139.189 12:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Mussolini didn't replace the christian calendar, absolutly. Also the Roman Caesars and the Popes used to add, at the normal date, the year of his Kingdom.( you can see it over all the monuments in Rome -my city) So, for example 19-09-1942, XX EF(EF= era fascista). Naturally they begun to count since 1922 (20 ottobre - Marcia su Roma). Excuse me for my bad english... Alessio —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.47.72.81 (talk • contribs) 3 January 2007.

Exactly. Just the years. The nationalists in Spain did the same during the Spanish Civil War, presumably copying Mussolini. I'm not sure when they stopped, but I don't think they kept it up much past the war itself. - Jmabel | Talk 18:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Misleading

The article says that early Fascist movement aimed at: a democratic republic, separation of church and state, a national army,

If you say it like that then it sounds like these things didn't exist yet, which is obviously not the case (Italy was a democracy already, armed and in bad terms with the Pope). Shouldn't someone rephrase it? i don't want to do it myself because my English isnt good enough.Caballaria 22:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Italy was a democracy, but not a republic. And they were, indeed, on poor terms with the papacy, but I'm pretty certain that Catholicism still had the status of a state religion. - Jmabel | Talk 23:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)