Talk:Jack FM
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[edit] Elimination round
I eliminated this as I didn't think it was valid:
- In short, it can easily be said that the JACK FM program, particularly the one that took over New York's 101.1, is disgraceful to listen to. Oldies fans from NY can immediately attest to this fact. The most unfortunate part about JACK is that it makes it difficult for fans of the stations that JACK knocks off are left in the lurch. Using NY's CBS-FM 101.1 as an example, NYC oldies fans now have to turn to stations such as Long Island's 103.1 FM or Philadelphia's 960 AM. However, these signals are weak, and most fans are deprived of hearing their favorite music on the radio.
This is really a comment on the radio industry switching formats on a whim, which has nothing to do with the Jack-FM format. Here in Vancouver most listeners were glad to see Kiss-FM go. Kiss-FM was truly a MUZAK type station that had a playlist of about 8 "easy-listening favourites". --Webgeer 20:37, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for removing that, Webgeer, as the comment was blatently POV. Jack replaced The Arrow here in Los Angeles, but truth be told, there isn't much of an audible difference between the two. Yours with wikilovelyness -- Two Halves
The New York change was a lot more controversial than in other places because a historical station was changed with no warning (even other radio industry executives and the mayor derided it), but I have to agree that taking out the above was correct as it is extremely non-NPOV and has nothing to do with describing Jack-FM itself. I think the way the issue is currently described in this article (with some minor edits I just did noting the mayor's criticism, etc.) is perfect. Whoever put the Baltimore station issue on there (which I didn't even know about) is good because it is a perfect lead-in to the WCBS-FM story. --hairymon
[edit] Failures section: Confusion with Bob-FM ??
From Jack-FM Article:
Honolulu, Hawaii and Sacramento, California are the only North American markets so far where the format has failed; though in the Honolulu case Salem Communications acquired the station and likely would have jettisoned the format, regardless of its success, due to that company's programming philosophy. In Sacramento, the owner of the station requested that listeners "vote" whether the adult hits format or an 80's format should remain, as the owners were selling the frequency which housed the 80's format.
And from Bob-FM
So far, Honolulu, Hawaii and Sacramento, California are the only North American markets so far where Bob FM has failed; though in the Honolulu case Salem Communications acquired the station and likely would have jettisoned the format, regardless of its success, due to that company's programming philosophy. In Sacramento, the owner of the station requested that listeners "vote" whether the variety hits format or an 80's format should remain, as the owners were selling the frequency which housed the 80's format. The 80s format won, and 92.1 Bob FM turned into Flash 92.1.
Can anyone confirm that both of these stations had both Jack-FM and Bob-FM and dropped them both?
I cannot determine which Honolulu station had Jack/Bob, and can only find record of Bob-FM in Sacramento. DonutLover
Based on the last paragraph in this article, I'm removing the assertation that Jack-FM stations left the format and leaving them in the Bob-FM article. DonutLover 21:17, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
- I think the real issue here is that some people are treating Bob FM stations as simply "Jack clones" in this article, rather than discussing them in the actual Bob FM article, and then consequently conflating the two (so that if a Bob fails, it's a priori a Jack failure.) I can't speak for what anyone else has done, but I've already removed "Bob" stations from the list of "Jack clones" in this article more than once. Bearcat 23:49, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] One line sounds like an advertisement
"However, ongoing research has confirmed that listeners would rather hear Jack's huge range of music without the stereotypical announcer banter."
It's "huge range of music" versus "stereotypical announcer banter". And it has been "confirmed". Very definitive and slanted.
[edit] Buffalo NY
does anybody know why Buffalo doesn't use Cogan as the voice?
i assume it's an attempt to distance themselves from 92.5 in Toronto (which can be picked up in buffalo, and was pretty popular with the locals)...
[edit] Adult hits
There's now a separate article on the adult hits format in general; accordingly, this article should now list only stations that are specifically branded as Jack FM. "Clone" stations are to be listed at adult hits, not here. Bearcat 18:21, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] CBS Footer
Is there a reason that the CBS Broadcasting footer is in the article? Jack-FM is not an exclusive property of CBS Radio, as the article notes. I think the CBS footer should be removed from this article. DonutLover 01:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Since no one has objected, I'll remove the footer at this time. DonutLover 19:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] too negative
I think the article written on Jack FM focuses too much on the controversy and negative press and criticism that the station has received.
What the article fails to mention is that after Jack rode out the wave of initial negative press after their induction into many markets, they have since found widespread acceptance among many listeners: enough to rank them in the top three in ratings in many markets like in my hometown of Las Vegas.
Rather than decry the loss of DJ's, fans like me prefer to hear nearly nonstop music without the interruption of talk.
[edit] iPod
- One of the main criticisms of the Jack FM format has been that with the elimination (or at least reduction) of the role of the DJ, radio is losing its main selling point over an iPod, which is the sense that a live person is programming your music.
Isn't the whole point of the iPod that there is a live person programming your music, YOU?
