User talk:JamieHari

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Hi Jamie, and welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that you've added external links to a slew of Marvel Comics articles. I checked the links and none of them contain any information at all. As well, the website, marveldatabase.com, seems to be controlled by youself. As it stands, your additions are little more than link spam and will probably be removed shortly. While I admire your moxy in wanting to create a Marvel database, perhaps you should wait until you have some content before adding links to Wikipedia's comic articles. --NormanEinstein 03:57, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Marvel Database Project 2 Linkspamming 3 User Categorisation 4 Wikimedia Canada 5 DC Database link at Batman 6 Marvel Database Project

[edit] Marvel Database Project

I found this article marked for speedy delete, but thought it was worthy of moving to Votes for deletion. Please go to to Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Marvel Database Project if you want to defend it.-gadfium 06:19, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Just remarked this for speedy delete, it is empty, put a talk page notice that if expanded by creator before deletion then ok to kill my speedy delete tag Xaosflux 01:40, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Linkspamming

Stop linkspamming. If you continue to do so, you will be banned. —Lowellian (talk) 08:57, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User Categorisation

You were listed on the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Ontario page as living in or being associated with Ontario. As part of the Wikipedia:User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in Ontario for instructions.--Rmky87 03:07, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimedia Canada

Hi there! I'd like to invite you to explore Wikimedia Canada, and create a list of people interested in forming a local chapter for our nation. A local chapter will help promote and improve the organization, within our great nation. We'd also like to encourage everyone to suggest projects for our national chapter to participate in. Hope to see you there!--DarkEvil 17:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DC Database link at Batman

Please note I have removed the DC Database link at Batman you placed. It doesn't meet WP:EL requirements, and also as you are involved in the enterprise it doesn't meet Wikipedia:Spam. I note a warning from Lowellian above regarding link spamming; I shall contact him and discuss his reason for issuing the warning. At the moment please refrain from placing links to your projects on Wikipedia. A better place for them is DMOZ, an open source directory. Steve block talk 10:55, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey folks, in case you look here first...

I have replied at Steve block's talkpage... Cheers,

--JamieHari 16:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your considered response. Sadly I have to disagree.

• Per WP:SPAM:
  • Wikipedia is not a space for the promotion of Web sites
  • Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a link farm
  • The References section is for references...
• Per WP:EL:
  • What should not be linked to:
    • Links that are added to promote a site, by the site operator or its affiliates
    • A website that you own or maintain (unless it is the official site of the subject of the article). If it is relevant and informative, mention it as a possible link on the talk page and wait for someone else to include it, or include the information directly in the article
    • Pages that contain a substantial fraction of factually inaccurate material or which contain unverified original research
    • In general, any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article here would have once it becomes an example of brilliant prose
• Per WP:RS
  • Evaluate the reliability of online sources just as you would print or other more traditional sources. Neither online nor print sources deserve an automatic assumption of reliability by virtue of the medium they are printed in. All reports must be evaluated according to the processes and people that created them.

As you have to accept, given you are editor in chief, founder and possibly host of the site in question you are not best qualified to make the distinctions regarding your site. Your addition of links contravenes directions listed above, your site can't be considered a reliable source given the lack of sourcing, for example Air-Walker (Automaton), and your addition of links is clearly in breach of WP:SPAM given you state on my talk page you are linking to your benefit. Based upon the guidelines above, myself and a fellow administrator, Lowellian, have both agreed that your addition of such links is spamming and that if you consider to do so you will be blocked. Steve block talk 16:49, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Steve,

I will totally agree that being the admin at the MDP/DCDP I may be biased to a degree. I however also want you to take my position into account: The point of having interwiki linking such as linking between Wikipedia and Wikiquotes or Wiktionary is that various references can be tied together to make a more complete 'big picture'. Let's be honest, Wikipedia is large with hundreds of thousands of users and articles. They simply don't have the ability to fine-tune the site to the specific needs of one topic. That is why the MediaWiki software is open-source... so others can help work together. I worked very hard to get our project added as inter-wiki 'sister-sites' to Wikipedia. Now that I am trying to interlace our project with Wikipedia with reciprocal links, we are being shunned. I appreciate that our site is still relatively new and isn't to the refined quality of Wikipedia, but we are getting there. We do, however, have several features and lots of information Wikipedia does not.

If this were a fansite or if in any way I profited financially, I would completely agree. The thing I don't get is how another Wikipedia 'sister-site' using the same MediaWiki software isn't able to share what we have with Wikipedia. I hesitate to say, I think of our site as an extension of the Wikipedia project, where we are able to accomplish things differently becuase of our focused nature. Do you not see value in our site? If the comics portal was sufficient to meet the needs of the comic community, there wouldn't be so many new sites popping up. Even Wikicities (A Wikimedia hosted project) has a new Marvel wiki!

My contention is that there should be some additional leeway be given to other reference sites, which are of good repute and good intent (especially wiki). I can also see how linking to sites with inaccurate information or malicious intent would be more detrimental to Wikipedia's goals... I can assure you our project strives to achieve the same level of accuracy as Wikipedia. Our ideals are very much in line with yours: To provide accurate information, without charge, to the world via the Internet. Our project has received GREAT recognition from IGN, Ain't It Cool News and Marvel themselves! Our Marvel site is being monitored by folks at Marvel. I personally have been in touch with several of their representatives over the course of the last year to ensure we are not stepping on any toes...

Please reconsider our case on an individual basis, as exception to the 'letter of the law', rather by the 'spirit of the law'. Please play the devil's advocate and see how our reciprocal interwiki links are of benefit to both projects and ultimately to the readers...

Thank you,

--JamieHari 18:58, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Your site should be treated like any other, and promotion of it across many articles is inappropriate. It doesn't matter if it is a non commercial site. As has been held in similar cases, please don't add links to any articles to your site. The spirit of the law is that Wikipedia is not to be used for promotional purposes. If your site is valuable enough it will be added to articles by other editors. But if that happens by one user or a bunch of anonymous editors it will obviously be a promotional effort. Please don't abuse Wikipedia in that way. If need be your site can be added to the spam filter so that no links may go to it. If your site really is non commercial, then it shouldn't need to be promoted in such a disruptive way, so please desist from promoting it in a manner that so many people have asked you to stop. - Taxman ^Talk 20:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Taxman, but again such a spam-filter will not be necessary. I think I have been more than reasonable about your requests and will honour your wishes as requested. In the past, I have also tried to follow the appropriate steps, first having our project added as a sister-site, then only adding links where our site has some additional benefit to offer. By contrast, I think MANY other link-spammers have been far worse... It is unfortunate for me that you are unfaltering in your support of project policies and are unwilling or unable to see from any other point of view. I thank you for the chance to explain myself. Regards,

--JamieHari 22:11, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Well I think you'll find I'm unfailing in support of all of the project's policies, and I think that's a good thing. If you keep building your site who knows, it may be considered the premier source for its topic someday and then you won't have to promote it, everyone will agree links to it are warranted. Until then, thanks for being reasonable. Your site can carry a lot of material we don't want on Wikipedia and that's a good thing, maybe we can encourage people to send material that would be considered fancruft here to your site instead. As a side note, what is this "sister-site" thing you refer to? - Taxman ^Talk 22:54, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Taxman. :)

I use the term 'sister-site' very loosely, tongue-in-cheek actually. Basically, you know how Wikipedia can inter-wiki link? ( [[MarvelDatabase:Main Page|Marvel Database Project]] ) It is when Wikipedia actually reserves a special 'namespace' shortcut to your project. To link to Wikipedia, you use [[Wikipedia: , ours is [[MarvelDatabase: and or [[DCDatabase: . Becauase I admin / host our project sites and they are relatively high-traffic, I deal frequently with Brion Vibber (MediaWiki software developer) to crush various bugs and make new software enhancements. A few of the new features coming to Wikipedia are partly my doing. I like to think the REAL contributions I make are not in the articles, but in the software itself. (I am a software dev myself, but am unfortunately too busy to contribute in any serious way) Anyways, that is what I mean by sister-site... A fellow wiki where many many links exists back and forth. Cheers,

--JamieHari 23:35, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marvel Database Project

I commented at the AFD, and on the talk page, also restored old histories for the purpose of the debate. In it's current form I don't really have a delete/keep opinion, but do think it shouldn't be speedily deleted. xaosflux ^Talk/_CVU 01:09, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very kindly! --JamieHari 05:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)