Talk:Jim Allister

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  It is highly unlikley that the issues will be resolved by a discussion here, as the vandal is anon, however the edit reverts are clearly POV as they are trying to present Jim Allister as the most effective NI MEP on the basis of ho much noise he makes in the parliament. This is not and never had been accepted as a true measure of public representation.Traditional unionist 14:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Agreed 2 Political bias being shown 3 Accusations 4 Neutral Point of View

[edit] Agreed

Agreed - time spent speaking in Parliament is not regarded as a definitive yardstick of a public representative's performance in either jurisdiction in Ireland. In both parts of Ireland a clientelist political culture exists in which people often prefer to see their politicians working locally rather than speaking at distant parliaments, whether in Dublin, London or Brussels.

[edit] Political bias being shown

I have just read the amount of recent edits on this page, and it is clear that on both sides there is political bias being shown. I personally do not believe that saying Jim Allister has spoken more times in Parliament is saying that he is the best - or the one who works hardest - MEP. Nor do I believe the readers of Wikipedia who have access to a wealth of information through the Internet and the other MEPs' pages would actually assume this to be true. In my opinion, it is just a statement, with references given to back this up. But, by saying that the effectiveness of an MEP should be calculated through constituency work etc, you are implying that Jim Allister does not have a good relationship with the constituents. It goes without saying that all elements of any politician's job should be used to work this out, but by bringing attention to this you are not being neutral to Mr Allister.

This has led to reckless abusing of Wikipedia's powers from both pro and anti-Jim Allister editers. Wikipedia should be a neutral environment, and not used to forward anyone's political views. Therefore, instead of tit-for-tat edits, I propose that we delete the recently added sections surrounding the effectiveness of the MEPs. Otherwise, where will this end?

A lot has also been recently added concerning the DUP leadership election(if there ever is one!) I believe there is already such a page dedicated to it, and reasons why certain candidates take such stances, and their support should be left on that page instead of individuals'.
Joe Mangel

We should either leave reference to his speeches out altogether or balance it with qualifier that number of speeches is not regarded as a measure of hard work, particularly when the parliament in question is so far away.

You wouldn't rate your local Congressman on how often he spoke in Congress, you'd be more interested in what he was doing for communities on the ground.

So either leave it out, or balance it with the appropriate qualifier.

--Pondersomething 11:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Accusations

Pondersomething is not me.Traditional unionist 13:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I am not TU, my interest is in seeing that this page reflects a wide perspective, and isn't a sanitised propaganda piece for the DUP.

The anonymous contributor who insists on reverting all edits to the page - presumably Allister's DUP bag-boy - should recognise the encylopaedic nature of Wikipedia - this is *not* an extension of Jim Allister's homepage but rather an encyclopaedic entry on the politician in question which needs to reflect a wide perspective.

I will take this through the full Wikipedia dispute process if necessary. Wikipedia is not your propaganda platform.

--82.29.235.182 19:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neutral Point of View

I have reverted the page (again) to Aaron's last edit. If the anonymous DUP operative vandal continues to revert this page to his/her preferred sanitised version I will initiate a Neutrality Dispute, according to the rules of Wikipedia.

--Pondersomething 19:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)