Talk:John Tyndall (politician)
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"Unfortunately Tyndall resembled Colin Jordan from the point of view that he worshipped his mother. On his 30th birthday (still unmarried and living with his mother) he invited his faithful to a party where his mother presented a birthday cake which she had baked especially for the occasion. The day was a Friday and time was 6pm. At that particular moment a pop show called Ready Steady Go presented by a local girl named Cathy McGowan was screened on the TV. Everyone dashed off into the back room to watch Cathy while Tyndall remained alone in the front room with tears streaming down his face, crying over his mother's uneaten cake." Does this really need to be in a section about ideology? I hate the nazis as much as anyone, but I really don't see what it has to do with his ideology. 143.167.78.30 16:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC) Samiam
This is a bit pointless. It could be cut down to "this jerk got nowhere with his silly Nazi views". But since he got nowhere, and is a dolt, why mention him?
- Indeed his silly Nazi views got him nowhere. But his party (the BNP) is slowly getting somewhere in the UK, I'd heard of the guy before I found the wikipedia, so he is definitely notable. Jackliddle 07:05, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
There is a very good reason for mentioning him - he was probably the most important figure within Britain's far-right during the post-WW2 period bar none, regardless of what anyone thinks of him as a person or his politics - there was a good reason for Searchlight magazine's obsession with him over & beyond his "tabloid sensationalism" appeal (Colin Jordan & Martin Webster could boast as much).
In terms of sheer work "for the cause", no one else matched to the same degree of enthusiasm/obsession (call it what you will) as Tyndall. Much of the direction that the 1970s National Front - and thus the British far-right in the main - was to take was down to him & his machinations (particularly his habit of undermining fellow party members he thought of as "rivals" and ensuring his acolytes advanced in party ranks), shaping the rise and fall of the two main post-war far-right parties in the UK, and with it that curious type of politics known as "British Nationalism" which lies and overlaps between the more hard-line patriotism of old fashioned Conservative types within the likes of the Monday Club and the outright racist groups steeped in ever deepening extremes of obsession and echoes of violence.
Tyndall's death marked a watershed, and it may well be that time will show that the sort of uncompromising "racial nationalism" he spent the best part of every spare moment of his life promoting - with its echoes of anti-semitism and white supremicism - will largely vanish from view in Britain for good, or at least be submerged under more compromising versions more in keeping with the British temprement demanding some level of tolerence and moderation.
Mark_Boyle
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[edit] Age
The bbc says he died at 72 rather than 71. Who is right? MyNameIsClare talk 14:56, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
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- So we are - BBC has changed to 71! MyNameIsClare talk 15:56, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Offensive Language
I have removed the offensive statement about his death. Regardless oif what people think of him, and I didn't think much, I think it is sick to write this sort of thing on an encyclopedia that children have free access to. - 82.37.139.181
[edit] When did he die?
The article states he died today (19 July 2005), but so far I've just heard he was found dead. Could he have died yesterday?
- "Sussex Police said there were no suspicious circumstances surrounding Mr Tyndall's death which was reported at 0815 BST on Tuesday." - BBC - Tuesday being 19 July. Could have been last night or this morning. Today is the only date we have so far - David Gerard 16:42, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
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- Examination of his body for post-mortem lividity, post-mortem measurement of core body temperature, etc. could probably narrow the time of death, but since there were no suspicious circumstances to justify such an investigation, we'll probably never know. -- The Anome 16:45, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] The YMCA song
I was a member of the National Front for 17 years. This was in the past though and I've since become very disillusioned and in similar fashion to Matthew Collins, am now working for Searchlight magazine. I was a close friend of John Tyndall, and was there when the song was formulated. It is not mentioned explicitly anywhere for obvious reasons (incitement to racial hatred). Which is why the NF do not publicise it, and every time it is referred to on their Drypool guestbook it is immediately removed by a moderator. Shortly for Searchlight I will be officially exposing this and some other things. -- posted by user:62.254.64.14
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- Be that as it may, there are two problems. The first is that what you state amounts to original research, since it's not verifiable, and so it can't be included in the article. The second is that the IP you're using has frequently been used by a vandal (which may or may not be you); I suggest if you want to contribute seriously you create a user name. Exploding Boy 00:38, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
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If I had a pound for everyone I've ever encountered amongst the far-left & far-right that claims to have been "a close friend of John Tyndall" (which anyone with any knowledge of the man would realise that is a contradiction in terms) or a spy for the now largely tarnished Searchlight magazine (who never really recovered their credibility after the Tim Hepple/Larry O'Hara debacle of 1992-1993), I'd be a millionaire!
The above sadly highlights the main problems for anyone researching the myriad twists and turns of Britain's far-right (& of Britain's political fringes as a whole) - it is a world (ie. both themselves & their opponents) filled with the same sort of Walter Mitty types usually to be found amongst the interests of your average "Fortean Times" reader, and trying to separate both sides fantasies from reality would tax the patience of a saint.
Thankfully there is plenty of NF archive material deposited in places such as the National Library of Scotland and the University of Southampton for those seeking disambiguation (as well of course of numerous newspaper reports available in hundreds of reference libraries nationwide), however there remains gaps and the "sensationalist" persona of the NF alone means that the chances of more sober analysis being made are limited.
For anyone looking for information on the NF, a healthy degree of skepicism is certainly required at the offing.
Mark_Boyle 21 October 2005
[edit] Arrests
"Tyndall was convicted of incitement to racial hatred in 1986 and was jailed three times" Details needed! Rich Farmbrough 14:31, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Categorisation
The category for extra-Parliamentary Conservative activists is there for the spectrum of people further right than the Conservative Party without becoming authoritarian. It is not for the organised far right, and Tyndall fits more accurately into this group. It also seems like a way of proving "guilt by association" for the other people in the category. David | Talk 10:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
