Talk:Kenneth Copeland
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[edit] Standards and lawsuits
I have used Wikipedia on occasion but to read rants like this, so utterly unobjective, is a waste. This is not informational, but mere gossip diatribe. Are there no standards for Wikipedia? [Unsigned comment by User:69.149.67.47] 06:19, 20 April 2004 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.26.195.222 (talk • contribs).
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- There no standards for Wikipedia. They allow prople to report gossip and false accusations based on their opinions and dislikes. Wikipedia will eventually end up paying millions of dollars to defend itself in court if they don't put a stop to this! I know a law firm that is currently studying this situation for a legal action against Wikipedia. Stay tuned! 02:31, 19 June 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.149.67.47 (talk • contribs).
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- Please read Wikipedia:No legal threats. David L Rattigan 07:55, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Text from other sites
The text added by 24.141.218.124 was lifted from other web sites, such as:
- http://www.voy.com/122152/4.html
- http://www.datalounge.com/datalounge/forums/?thread=7766&stack=2,1,1:thread
- http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/lewd.html
It is probably a copyrighted article, and it has nothing to do with Kenneth Copeland, so I removed it. Brian Kendig 20:10, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Edits by User:69.149.186.229
I thought that the recents edits were somewhat propaganda-ish, and he/she also removed some comments. Here are the actual comments of the user in question. Logical2u 23:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- The mission of Kenneth Copeland Ministries (and Eagle Mountain International Church) is to teach Christians worldwide who they are in Christ Jesus and how to live a victorious life in their covenant rights and privileges. The fulfillment of that mission takes place when those believers become rooted and grounded enough in God's Word to reach out and teach others these same principles.
- We are called to lead people, primarily born-again believers, to the place where they operate proficiently in the biblical principles of faith, love, healing, prosperity, redemption and righteousness, and to the place where they can share those principles with others.
- We are called to assist believers in becoming rooted, grounded and established in the Word of God by teaching them to give God's Word first place in their lives (Colossians 1:23, Psalm 112).
- We are called to reveal the mysteries, the victorious revelations of God's Word, that have been hidden from the ages (Colossians 1:25-28).
- We are called to build an army of mature believers, bringing them from milk to meat, from religion to reality. We are called to train them to become skillful in the word of righteousness, to stand firm in the spiritual warfare against the kingdom of darkness (Hebrews 5:12-14, Ephesians 6:10-18).
- We are called to proclaim that "Jesus Is Lord" from the top of the world to the bottom and all the way around.The vision is being accomplished through the ministry efforts of Kenneth Copeland Ministries, Eagle Mountain International Church and staff on a worldwide scale through the local church and the use of television, campaigns, conventions, books, tapes, recordings and personal correspondence and is multiplied through the financial support of other ministries of like purpose.
As someone who was once involved in a word-faith church (and eventually saw through its heresies) I must say the article is quite good. I think it might be helpful to mention some of the books which critique this movement.--Niceguy2all 02:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Edits by bendineen
I recently deleted the 'testimonials' section, added by someone who obviously support Kenneth Copeland, their comments were simply disguised as neutral by the tag 'testimonials', but I really think it's not appropriate on Wikipedia. See history for all text deleted Bendineen 05:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV?
This article could, if someone isn't careful, deteriorate into a "he said, she said" revert war.
"Kenneth Copeland has never claimed to be a successful pop singer before turning his life over to ministry work following his conversion on November 2, 1962."
Also, wouldn't he have been more of a "one-hit-wonder"?
WAVY 10 02:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Controversial Statements
My family's fairly familiar with KCM, but we have none of the items where the controversial statements were stated, so I have no way to verify.
WAVY 10 02:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Album listing?
Since Copeland has also become prominent for his musical recordings, would there be a good reason to add at the very least a list of his music albums?
205.244.108.166 19:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Conversion to Christianity
I have deleted the exact date. Copeland's own autobiography states he asked Jesus to "come into [his] heart." His decision came two weeks after his wife had done likewise.
Not sure but the term born again would probably be better as conversion implies that he converted from another religion. Any opinions?Osakadan 01:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Revert
I have reverted the sermon quotes that were deleted. While I agree that Wp is not the place for sermons, these particular quotes illustrate the controversy that surrounds Copeland. Perhaps they can be edited down a little. (unsigned)
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- I did it to help save the article, because if you persist in retaining inappropriate material --and just try to find similar material in any similar article--it is highly likely that the article may be noticed for deletion. I myself am strongly in favor of keeping an article on this --and all other--religious movements, because it is not appropriate for WP to judge on theological truth
- But you mention controversy. Nowhere in the article does it contain any opinion by anyone other than himself DGG 04:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
After reading, I certainly agree with you that some statements need to be deleted. I just disagreed with wholesale deletion. Some of the quotes are quite controversial and illustrate Copeland's stance on the 2004 Tsunami being caused because of non-belief, along with Katrina. Give me a day or 2 and I will edit it down. Obviously I am a bit anti-Copeland so it needs to be checked for POV. I will try to be objective though.Osakadan 04:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Right. But by controversial I meant that there must be at quote from someone who does not support him. Let's see how it looks. DGG 00:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] continuing
Well, it looks like the long and inappropriate quotes are still there. Please look at other WP articles on religious groups and see how they are written. So I removed some. As for the short quotes, I see they were sourced, and that's OK--they do communicate very clearly the nature of his beliefs. But talk about Katrina does not. I'm going slowly, I just did one section. I'm still considering, and I continue to think that the entire section there belongs on his web site, not here. DGG 06:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Quotes
I removed most of the quotes from the article, as they were unsourced and potentially controversial (one section was even titled "controversial statements"). As such, they should be removed, per WP:BLP.Chunky Rice 23:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
