Talk:Levittown, Pennsylvania

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The math is correcct; the absolute figures are rounded to 1 decimal, while the percentage is caclculated from unrounded figures. Mkweise 18:33, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Township of Upper Darby may have more people than the Levittown CDP, Scranton 215, but you're comparing apples and oranges. Levittown is not a township, and it's not a municipality, as is so carefully explained in the Levittown article. In fact, that may be the article's singular point. Upper Darby Township, by contrast, does not consist solely of Upper Darby; it likewise includes other CDPs, such as Drexel Hill, Secane, Primos and Glenolden (In fact, there are fire companies in this communities, with mailing addresses in Secane and Drexel Hill, that make the point that they are located nonetheless in Upper Darby *Township,* but their addresses are not *Upper Darby*). So ... The Upper Darby CDP (not to mention the others listed) are all smaller than Levittown.

In contrast, of course, Cherry Hill Township, New Jersey (not to mention Camden, city of) happen to be coextensive with the muncipalities their names are associated with, but this is because, of course, in New Jersey, the correlation between municipal boundaries and CDPs is much tighter than it is in Pennsylvania (where the interaction between place names and name of Townships, particularly in the Philadelphia suburbs, is bizarre, ambiguous and overlapping).

So ... is Upper Darby Township a "suburb" of Phildelphia? I think not; it's a suburban municipality of Philadelphia, that contains (parts of Drexel Hill and other places, many blissfully unaware of where they actually live) and Upper Darby (its own self, the "rump" portion that happens to use both Upper Darby as a mailing address and is within Upper Darby Township). I mean, it's quite possible that once Middletown Township is built out, it will contain well over 90,000 people as well-- but it well be spread over mailing addresses in Langhorne, Levittown and Newtown (which of course are also contained in other municipalities as well). Does it make any sense to speak of Middletown Township as one "place" let alone one "suburb" under those circumstances? Middletown Township suffers from a lack of "placeness" much in the same way Upper Darby Township does, given that people who live there do not think of themselves as living in the same "place."

People could differ, I suppose, but in this case, I'm not comparing municipal corporations in any event (seeing as how Levittown is not a municipal corporation). I'm comparing places.

I will add a citation that has Levittown as Philadelphia's largest suburb (and not largest suburban municipality, as Levittown is not a municipality) in Pennsylvania.Blondlieut 22:55, 15 February 2006 (UTC)blondlieut@aol.com

Township v. CDP Comparison

It's one thing to change the text once, it's quite another to change it again without engaging in any discussion about it, when I've gone to some length to do so. Is there some reason why you've done so without addressing my points? The way in which you've inserting a lengthy list of Pennsylvania Townships, all of whom have multiple places within them (Bensalem=Trevose, Cornwells Heights, Eddington, Andalusia, etc.; Bristol Township=Levittown, Croydon, Bristol, etc;), at the beginning of an article about *Levittown,* which is not a township, begs the question about what they might possibly be doing there. It's one thing to acknowledge that, yes, indeed, there are municipal corporations (that might not be properly more than one place, as is indeed the case with Bristol Township itself, which contains a part of Levittown, so why does it make any sense to compare that TO LEVITTOWN??), it's quite another thing to list a bunch of meaningless township names to beat the point into the ground.

If you would like to add a list of the largest townships in the Philadelphia suburbs to the Philadelphia article, and link to THAT, by all means do so, but a list of the largest townships in the Philadelphia suburbs does NOT belong at the beginning of the article (or anywhere in the article about **Levittown**). Blondlieut 01:32, 16 February 2006 (UTC)Blondlieut@aol.com

The only reason I added the list of all the "bigger" townships was to make sure the article came across as factually accurate; the tone almost made it seemed like Upper Darby was the only bigger Philly PA township. I like the way you have written it in this final revision, by saying "Upper Darby, and other townships are bigger..." Scranton215 05:13, 16 February 2006 (UTC)