Talk:List of Half-Life 2 mods/Archive 2
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Flagged for improper tone
I flagged this article for improper tone because it flagrantly abuses the use of the second person voice. It's really just not appropriate in an encyclopedia article to see sentences like: "... gives the HL2 single player campaign harder challenges, 4 gamemodes to test your skills with, a wide array of weapons, and 5 different player classes to best suit your gaming style." (emphasis mine) --Cyde Weys votetalk 00:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I've edited the Physics based part, originally rewriting it but the just lifting the Garry's Mod summary out of the Wikipedia article for it. I think it does the job well. I removed JBMod being that the mod hasn't been updated in, well, years, and is no longer developed or supported by the author. JBMod probably no longer works with the latest updates to Source anyway.
I would like to modify the article further but my background with playing some of these mods is, well, limited... so its difficult. I do see room for improvement on nearly every description, however. Maybe I'll work on things later on. --66.214.156.112 02:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
You don't have to know anything about the mods to modify the descriptions to be a more formal tone. Please go for it! --Cyde Weys votetalk 03:41, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
- I fully agree with what you're saying. I'm gonna go through right now to make it more encyclopaedic, make NPOV, etc...--Katana314 13:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
POV
POV dispute by A Clown in the Dark: "on several mods this reads like an ad"
Would removing the ModDB awards/rankings help to resolve this? --Pizzahut2 12:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think they're complaining about the ModDB awards, I think they're complaining about how some of the write-ups for the mods is not neutral. Many of the entries are being written by the mod maintainers, after all, and may contain such content as, "This is going to have all new totally innovative features." ModDB awards are actually NPOV ... it's not the Wikipedia editors deciding which mods are good and which aren't, it's an outside, verifiable, citable source. --Cyde Weys 12:42, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to drop in and say I'm glad the article was kept. Sad that I missed on voting Keep. ;) Will have to drop in again and maybe edit some things up. I like the ModDB idea. --Brad R. 14:29, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me that all of the disputed points where the mod was glorified was basically quoted from the dev team itself. It's pretty impossible to keep this 100% neutural and still give sufficient information. For example, saying that a mod is full of suspense and terror may be interpreted as breaking NPOV but to leave that out will leave you with a poor idea of what the mod is about. This page definitely does need some cleaning up and updating though.--Louis L. 14:29, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Turning into an advert page?
It looks like more and more people are putting up their mods here, and most sound very un-Wikipedia, and more like adverts. Someone change? Oh, and Jurassic Rage moved to UT2004 because the team had problems with SDK. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.180.166.11 (talk) 02:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC).
I usually edit the released mods for tone. If no one is willing to spend time on editing the descriptions of the unreleased mods, maybe these should be removed from the list? --Pizzahut2 18:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I also think the unreleased mods should be removed, simply because it is unencyclopedic. It's like having a list of half-written novels. Marasmusine 08:50, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
There, that's done. Perhaps the original contributors would like to add the mods onto this list once they are released (although I suspect this move will just be reverted :> ) Marasmusine 08:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
It's too bad the unreleased mods had to be removed. More and more it's becoming difficult to find a definitive source of information for mods. I'm sure the info is out there on some sites but it's more a mess and difficult to get an overview. I preferred the list here as it just lists exactly what I want to know concerning the released and unreleased mods so I didn't have to search all over the place for info.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Antifan (talk • contribs) 18:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Try the Mod DB, its search function is very flexible.
- unreleased sp
- unreleased mp
- unreleased sp&mp (Refering to mods which feature both game types, i.e. not the sum of sp mods and mp mods.)
It's listing 925 unreleased Half-Life 2 mods in total. --Pizzahut2 10:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
The VDC may also help, the mods in alpha and beta are usually HL2 mods (not HL1).
--Pizzahut2 01:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Notability
In the AfD it was suggested to have only notable mods in the list. I've put a note into the article to address this:
Notable mods are either "blue linked" (have their own article without getting it deleted in an AfD discussion) or can provide a proof of notability (awards, winning a competition/contest like the Independent Games Festival and/or making an appearance in Mod DB's "Mod Of The Year" feature).
--Pizzahut2 13:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm fine with that notability standard. ⇒ SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 16:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Add the mod-in-progresses back.
It isn't like a half-finished book, it's more like a game in development. The velociraptor 13:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- For reference, here is the last revision which includes the unreleased mods. --Pizzahut2 19:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Purpose of lists
This might be good to know when editing the article: Wikipedia:List guideline#Purpose of lists --Pizzahut2 19:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Unreleased mods
From the (closed) AfD discussion: "Also, to the idea that a non-released mod is, by definition, non-notable, ah...hogwash. I'd to like to hear the argument that the Black Mesa mod is non-notable; that project has Valve's direct blessing, for one thing."
Generally I tend to agree that unreleased mods are non-notable, on Wikipedia at least.
Black Mesa is an exception, perhaps it should be added to the list. --Pizzahut2 22:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Black Mesa Section
The Black Mesa section is incorrect. They were not "disappointed" with VALVe's Half Life: Source, because they understood that HL:S was just to show how easy it would be to port a game over. And why are they considered "blessed"? Who considers them blessed? That is poor phrasing.
This section needs a lot of work. Besides which, if I am not mistaken, wasn't the Unreleased Mods section removed as a whole? As a matter of fact, I'm removing Black Mesa. If anyone disagrees, feel free to replace it. -El Carnemago
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.242.17.74 (talk • contribs) 00:21, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
The consensus was that notable unreleased mods would be included, and that Black Mesa was notable. FYI, the term "blessed" in this context is colloquial English useage; it means that an entity (in this case Valve software) has explicitly approved of something (in this case, Black Mesa). Please undo your edit, thanks. Gooshy 00:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Pirates, Vikings, and Knights II
I don't know if this mod is very notable so I'm going to ask if it's OK to put this mod in the article since the beta has been released. Unicyclopedia 01:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I say go for it. The mod is stable, has a web page, and was actually featured in the steam news. The wikipage for the mod needs some work though.... Polygon 00:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Half Life 2: Capture The Flag
I added this mod to the list today (1/9/06). the mod has had several releases, and is on version 1.7
Polygon 00:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Many mods removed?
I remember when this list was MUCH longer. Why were the mods removed? (They were not in development, there were completed, non-beta versions released.)--Katana314 23:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Some admins decided the mods weren't notable enough and then never went on to explain what made a mod notable other than having to win mod of the year (being released, played by people, and reviewed favorably by a print magazine was not enough even though Wikipedia guidelines state that being mentioned in print is notability). Krenzo 20:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
If we are working like this really insurgency is on the list. Ripperhugmeguy 20:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
MOTY 2006
Here's which Half-Life mods got into Mod DB's MOTY 2006:
Mod of the Year 2006
Honorable Mentions
Mods which came close to victory.
Winners
- 5th Place. MINERVA
- 4th Place. Hidden: Source
- 3rd Place. GoldenEye: Source
Most Anticipated Mods of 2006
Honorable Mentions
- Perfect Dark: Source
Winners
- 4th Place. Insurgency
- 1st Place. Black Mesa
Top Mods by Genre
- Action. SourceForts
- Adventure. Afraid of Monsters (HL1) [deleted], Honorable Mention: Iris
- Puzzle. BlockStorm, Honorable Mention: Hypercube: Source
- Multi-Genre. Empires [deleted], Honorable Mention: Iron Grip: The Oppression
- Sports. International Online Soccer (HL1) [deleted]
--Pizzahut2 09:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
VERC website
I'm not a mapper / modder, but it seems the VERC website has been replaced with the VDC. So I'd suggest replacing the VERC link at the bottom with a link to the VERC Network Forums: http://www.chatbear.com/board.plm?b=390 --Pizzahut2 23:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
