Talk:List of Jewish superheroes

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Contents 1 Magneto, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver 1.1 How come? 1.2 Magneto? 2 Possible Heroes 3 Flash or Atom? 4 Superman ? 5 Accuracy 6 Taxonomy 7 Teletubbies? 8 Captain Underpants is Jewish? 9 Optimus Prime 10 Didactic comics for Jewish chidlren? (Jewish Hero Corps) 11 Villains? 12 Jesus????

[edit] Magneto, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver

[Note: Magneto conversations were all over the talk page, in one case under "Optimus Prime". I moved them all to here so people could find them. Deborah-jl _Talk 15:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)]

[edit] How come?

I wonder how come Quicksilver is Jewish. I never read any superhero comics, but isn't jewish lineage traced thru mother, not father? If his mother was Jew, it would be OK.

I think it used to be traced through the father before the Second World War, so it's not set in stone. In any case I think this list is showing racial rather than religious heritage, so the same rules apply to Jews as any other race. Agentsoo 16:35, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

The "Who is Jewish" question is discussed at length in many places in Wikipedia, including a boilerplate in this article. But descent through the mother goes back centuries before World War II.
RachelBrown 09:09, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

I think Magneto's wife escaped from the camps with him, indicating that she too is Jewish. That would make Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch full-blooded Jews. Rorschach567 08:34, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

BEING JEWISH COMES FROM THE MOTHER end of story (anon comment from 67.100.130.40, Oct 14 2005)

IIRC Magneto's wife is a gypsy, which would make Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch "half-Jews". MosheZadka 11:37, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Magneto?

Should Magneto be on a list of superheroes? He's usually considered an ambiguous character, sometimes a supervillian, sometimes an anti-hero, but seldom an outright superhero. Firebug 04:47, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Unless we're making a list of Jewish supervillians ... I'd argue for keeping Magneto on the list. He's not an outright villian, IMO, in the comics. Quicksilver's been just as much a villian and he's still listen. - Ipstenu 22:02, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Magento saved the world, on several occasions. I think he should qualify as a "superhero" (also, the Beyonder thought he was a superhero, see the "Secret Wars" arc) MosheZadka 05:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Magneto in the comics is not Jewish but was a victim of the holocaust due to his Gypsey heratige (which is also refrenced most recently in house of M) as such I removed him, quicksilver, and scarlet witch from the list, also in FF 60 Grimm was revealed to be jewish which has since been backed up in Marvel Knights Fantastic Four.

Magneto in the comics IS Jewish. Marvel has shown, without doubt, that he took the false name "Erik Lehnsherr" and the FALSE gypsy identity (X-MEN #72) in order to escape the KGB and search for his runaway wife, Magda, who was a Roma, most likely a Sinte. Magneto belongs on this list. His twin children by Magda, his Roma wife, are worth a mention.

• Magneto is Jewish FAQ

This is a link to the Magneto is Jewish FAQ with fair-use scans of pictures from relevant comics.

Magneto was never a gypsy, and Marvel has actually said he's Jewish in the comics. In addition, Editor in Chief Joe Quesada has stated recently in a conversation with a columnist at Silver Bullet that Magneto is Jewish. References in House of M are from a False reality created by Pietro and Wanda (Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch), not Magneto. Moreover, the author of that "reference", R. Hudlin, writing in a peripheral book, is known for being very ignorant of current continuity. Other books in the HoM reality, including the FANTASTIC FOUR books, were completely at odds with what Hudlin showed in his BLACK PANTHER House of M offering.--[Rivka -- 2-4-2006]

[edit] Possible Heroes

Were Profesor X and Wolverine Jewish? I know they were in concentration camps, but I'm not a Marvel reader, and I can't remember why they were there.

Neither one is Jewish, and neither was ever in the camps, though Wolverine was present for the liberation of a concentration camp in at least one story. You might be confusing Magneto with Prof. X. -Sean 00:31, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

In the movie, at least, it was implied that they were in concentration camps for being mutants. Wolverine, for example, is experimented on because of his mutant abilites. Also, I vote in favor of you confusing Magneto and Prof. X, in the movie it's a young Magneto brought to the camp.ParkerHiggins 06:31, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

In Wolverine #35, Wolverine's in Sobibor (I might have the issue number wrong, it might be 33-36). MosheZadka 11:38, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Flash or Atom?

Where does it say that Barry Allen was Jewish? I don't remember it, but I could have missed something. On the other hand The Atom II (Ray Palmer) said in DC Comics Presents Justice League of America #1 that his mother was Jewish. That would make him Jewish as well.

I also remember somewhere else that Ray Palmer (Silver Age Atom or Earth 1 Atom) was Jewish.

[edit] Superman ?

How can Superman be Jewish? His mother was Lara. He was born on Krypton. They don't have Jews there.

Well, I assume the person who added it considered Siegel and Schuster to be Superman's parents :) MosheZadka 18:31, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Must've been one of the really lost tribes. - Nunh-huh 04:50, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Accuracy

Unless this page or the relevant hero pages provide evidence, I am starting the removal of the names from this list. mikka (t) 21:20, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

It's been a couple of months, so I recommend removing the disputed tag. Any objections? --Arcadian 20:13, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Taxonomy

I attempted to clean up the taxonomy, but there might be a better way of organizing the page, as right now it would be difficult to categorize a character who fell into more than one of the 'exceptions'. Instead, perhaps the exceptions should be marked with special characters like # or *, and the taxonomy could be by universe (Marvel, DC, etc.). It seems more natural to group Magneto's family together, for example. Any thoughts? --Arcadian 20:21, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Teletubbies?

How would one even determine if the Teletubbies are Jewish? I'm not saying they're not, but I'm interested in hearing how they are, I guess. Further, I think that, strictly speaking, they're not superheroes, but that'll slide. --ParkerHiggins 03:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Captain Underpants is Jewish?

How do we know Captain Underpants is Jewish? Is this a list of superheros in books written by Jews, or a list of Jewish superheroes? It needs to make up its mind. - Nunh-huh 04:49, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Removed Capt. Underpants. Unless someone has a source the character is Jewish. -- Ipstenu 19:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Optimus Prime

Removed him. Just becuase The Family Guy listed him as Jewish doesn't make it canon for the Transformers series. And besides, he's a freakin' robot! *grin* - Ipstenu 15:09, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Didactic comics for Jewish chidlren? (Jewish Hero Corps)

I removed this becase it appears to be a pedagogical comic created to educate about Jewish practice, not a genuine Jewish superhero. IMHO, the page shouldn't include Jewish Hero Corps, Mendy and the Golem, etc; they aren't superheroes, they're teaching tools. But I don't feel strongly. Deborah-jl 14:02, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Villains?

Is there a list of Jewish supervillains somewhere? (Guess not judging from the red link.) -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 00:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jesus????

Yes, he was Jewish, but was Jesus Christ really a superhero? Also, the reason listed is suspect to weather or not you believe. All of the other "superheroes" on the list don't claim to be real. This one does. I think he should be removed, but maybe this has been discussed before. What do you all think? --Trogdor077 20:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: On June 3rd, I went ahead and deleted Jesus from the page. He was listed as "Jesus (The New Testament)". The New Testament clearly isn't a book about superheroes. It is a religious book intended for guiding people towards salvation. I believe listing Jesus as a superhero almost makes the Christian religion no longer valid. It'd be like praying to Superman. Jesus was a man who allegedly was the son of God and performed miracles. A Superhero is (according to the wikipedia) a fictional character who is noted for feats of courage and nobility and who usually has a colorful name and costume and abilities beyond those of normal human beings." Keyword there is fictional. Jesus claims to be real. Therefore I do not think he should be listed as a superhero. I won't get in an edit war, but I will really disappointed and begin to understand why people doubt the wikipedia's credibility if someone puts him back in this article. --Trogdor077 19:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)