Talk:Love Actually

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Contents 1 Plot 2 Vandalism 3 Christmas 4 Love Is All Around 5 Alternate versions 6 Marseilles 7 Misogyny 8 Quotes 9 Sexism

[edit] Plot

Are you sure that Rickman was only "nearly unfaithful"? Avalon 06:40, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Technically, he was.. guess that would depend on the definition...

193.11.218.40 22:36, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

"Hugh Grant - A Gay who should leave Martine McCutcheeon for me"

Kinda funny, but.. no..

[edit] Christmas

Is it really necessary to have every single instance of the word "Christmas" be a link to the Christmas article? Shouldn't the first one suffice? Sam 16:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree with you... It´s not nice many links for "Christmas".

fizzerbear 16:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Love Is All Around

The song was written by Reg Presley of the Troggs, who had a top tep hit with it in 1968. For the love of all that's holy (that is, all that is rock and roll), do not call it a Wet Wet Wet song. -Bert 171.159.64.10 02:19, 24 March 2006 (UTC) Okay, it is relevant that the director has used covers of this song in multiple movies, so the Wet Wet Wet reference belongs, so long as it clearly not their song. 171.159.64.10 02:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

When Billy Mack wants to beat the boy band for the #1 spot, is it really a Christmas song "contest"? Isn't it just the UK Chart that they're referring to? This should be changed, or explained. 68.192.53.216 21:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate versions

It is true that the John and Just Judy subplot was taken out for most Asian versions. Why is the line 'they love to touch each other' in it? I saw the unedited version, and they were quite awkward around each other actually, and in their acting scenes they seemed quite professional about their physical contact. I don't see any need for that line. What's the general opinion on this?

Also, I heard that in the American versions, there were actually subtitles given for the Portugese portions of the dialogue. Why's that? The film was supposed to be appreciated without subtitles because he didn't understand what he was saying, and so neither should we.

Great show, btw.

--Squiggle 17:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

There are subtitles, and I believe it is to show that Jaime and Aurelia are always saying the same thing, meaning that although they don't understand each other, the audience knows they are meant for each other.

Just a thought.

Fllmtlchcb 11:07, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Subtitles on the UK versions too, as it was in the cinema, I think thats important, it has some great jokes within them.

[edit] Marseilles

It says that Jamie flies to Marseille to propose to Aurelia. Surely he flies to Portugal, not to Marseilles. Every single character speaks Portuguese, including the personnel and clientele of the restauran. Unless there is some very strong argument that this 100% Portuguese environment is in France, it should be changed.

1. Answers to the discussion if Jamie flew to Marseille or Portugal should be posted here, not inside the article itself. 2. I don't buy that he would fly to Marseille. We know that everyone in the film spoke Portuguese and that Aurelia did not even speak French. Surely she would speak the language if she was living permanently in France with her family.

It definitely is Marseille. The taxi has 13 as last digits, and that indicates the area of Marseille in France (Bouches-du-Rhône). There is French graffiti on the walls, as they walk to the restaurant where she works. And besides the name of the airport, Aéroport Marseille is clearly displayed, when Jamie arrives there. The scene is simply set in an ex-pat community of Portuguese in France. Mlewan 00:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Misogyny

O hardly. The above is a silly reading of the film. At least non-thin women got to be in the film. Where are the ugly, and/or non-thin men? They don't even rate an appearance. I don't have time to respond to every issue raised in your post, but here are some responses:

The father of the two portugese daughters seems to treat them roughly the same. (That is, he tries to marry off both of them to the englishman stranger.) I thought the portrayal of the non-thin sister was that she was toughminded, resilient and funny. She turns his insulting behaviour into a joke, and parades through the town inviting others to scoff at him. No one other than her father treats her as trash, and she gets the better of him anyway.

I think you missed the point of the storylines about Karen (Emma Thompson) and Sarah (Laura Linney). It seemed to me to be not about their "partners" at all, but rather about their strength and sacrifice in the name of love. It is not misogynistic to portray women as self-sacrificing, responsible and dutiful in the face of trials. Sarah's "love, actually" was for her brother. Karen's "love, actually" was to her children and even to her bad husband. To characterize familial love as oppressive or sadistic is wrong.

The same point is made about Mark (David Lincoln) with regard to Juliet (Keira Knightley). What looks like disdain on his part is eventually revealed to be "love, actually" also. He distances himself from them out of selflessness and love for both her and his friend. Nowhere in the picture are we shown that Juliet is in love with him, or that she is "waiting" for his answer.

By the way, Karl ends up alone also. So much for the theory that all the men in the picture get their way.

The movie portrays many aspects of love, and how it can be found as a motive underneath seemingly unrelated actions and events. Reading woman-hatred into it is quite a stretch. You have a deeply disturbing world-view. Tim Bird 19:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

 Nicely said! 86.139.62.243 13:30, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Someone's deleted the original argument, which is pretty good. The comment they made that annoyed me most was their complaint that Kris Marshall, the 'ugliest' one (their perception, not mine) got with four girls. It wasn't the fact that he got with four girls that seemed to annoy them - it was the fact that he was, in their eyes, ugly, that did it. So they were suggesting that films should simply show men as only being useful if they're attractive - surely that itself is pretty damn sexist? 80.5.116.72 02:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes

Why are there so many quotes in this article. Surely as Wikiquote has an article about the movie, they should be on there? Also, the fact about the director saying Olivia Olsens voice was too perfect, is on there twice. I'll remove the one in the plot outline if someone agree's.

[edit] Sexism

This film is actually a highly sexist one , if you think about it. All the women in it are treated as underlings to the men, and generally come out worse (Rickman cheats on his wife etc), also playing maids, desk workers, or in one case a house cleaner. It is left to the men to play the 'executive' roles, and who eventually come out on top. This film may be a touching depiction of life, but it is also very depressing.