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1 Mair Rajputs
2 This article is a stub, please help "Expanding" it, from references provided, thankyou
3 Expand or Delete
4 Help Expand this Article on "Mair Rajputs" from links and references provided
5 Help Expand this Article on "Mair Rajputs" from links and references provided
6 References
7 Further Reading
8 Who are "Soni"???
9 soni/maid rajputs!
10 POV, References, citataion, non-specific
11 Reference provided for concerning Paragraph, thanks
12 Copying from other sites
13 References
14 Further Reading
15 External Links
16 Included in the Reference list
17 Mair Rajputs are a "conglomeration" of branches of different Rajput tribes
18 NEWS: Mair Rajput Mahasangh
19 NEWS: Mair Rajput Sabha
20 Synonyms of Mair Rajput as seen on some Hindu Matrimonial Websites
21 On Hindu Matrimonial WebSites "Mair Rajputs" are found sometimes listed as:
22 Someone added "DASONDHI / DASONDI (DANSONDH)" in the see also list of "Mair Rajputs of Punjab"
23 Hindu Matrimonial Websites on the Internet, which sometimes have special Punjabi, Rajput & Punjabi Rajput Sections:

[edit] Mair Rajputs

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[edit] This article is a stub, please help "Expanding" it, from references provided, thankyou

Atulsnischal 11:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I have interconnected this "Mair Rajputs"/"Mair Rajput" page to other Rajput pages on Wikipedia and included External Links and References that one could refer to while writing this page on Wikipedia. All are welcome to research and write this article in detail, Thanks

Atulsnischal 21:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Expand or Delete

The article contains one line:

Mair Rajputs are from Punjab.

If no one can expand to that - I think the article should be deleted! -- Ozzykhan 21:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help Expand this Article on "Mair Rajputs" from links and references provided

Removed the following tags after introducing liks to other pages and Catogarizing it:

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Atulsnischal 22:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help Expand this Article on "Mair Rajputs" from links and references provided

Hi included a seperate page on Mair Rajputs, I have provided all references and external links, when you get time read the references and help expand the "Mair Rajput" page. Thankyou

I have interconnected the Mair Rajput page to many related categories and pages on Wikipedia

I have a request, please refer to External links and write the Mair Rajput page in as much detail as possible in your own words, so that is is copywrite free, include all the families and gotras mentioned too for all of us to see, Thankyou

Thanks

Atulsnischal 08:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

This article on "Mair Rajputs" on Wikipedia has originally been written by Atul Singh Nischal (Bhatti / Bhati), I am a Mair Rajput, I have also referred to my own questioning of elders in our family of Nischal, Shinh, Sur and Luddhar / Luthra.
The Mair Rajputs of Punjab
The Mair Rajputs Today
Gothras of the Mair Rajputs
Notable Mair Rajput Gothras (Families)
Credit and thanks is also due to Mr. Rajesh K Verma for publishing his research on his website: "The Mair Rajputs of Punjab" which can be accessed at: http://mairrajputs.tripod.com/index.html

Atulsnischal 09:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Further Reading

"Further Reading" section is originally taken from "Work Cited" section of Mr. Rajesh K Verma's website: "The Mair Rajputs of Punjab" which can be accessed at: http://mairrajputs.tripod.com/biblio.html

Please add any other credible published sources that can be referred to here in this list for others to continue the research, thankyou:

Blunt, E.A.H. The Caste System of Northern India. Delhi: S. Chand & Co., 1969.
Chattopadhyaya, Brajadulal. The Making of Early Medieval India. Delhi: Oxford University Press, 1994.
Ibbetson, Sir Denzil. Panjab Castes. Lahore: Superintendent, Gov't. Printing, Reprint 1916 (from 1883 original of 1881 census).
Jain, Kailash Chand. Ancient Cities and Towns of Rajasthan. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, 1972.
Rose, H.A. A Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North-West Frontier Province. Lahore: Civil and Military Gazette Press, 1914.
Saggar, Balraj. Who's Who in the History of Punjab: 1800-1849. New Delhi: National Book Organisation, 1993.
Singh, K.S. National Series Volume VIII: Communities, Segments, Synonyms, Surnames, & Titles. Delhi: Oxford University Press, 1996.
Srivastava, Ashirbadi Lal. The History of India: 1000 A.D.-1707 A.D. Jaipur, Shiva Lal Agarwala & Co., 1964.
Tod, Lt. Colonel James. Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan. London: Routledge & Kegan Paul, Vol. 1 (1829), Vol. 2 (1832).
Walker, Benjamin. The Hindu World: An Encyclopedic Survey of Hinduism. New York: Frederick Praeger, 1968.
Talib, Gurbachan (1950). Muslim League Attack on Sikhs and Hindus in the Punjab 1947. India: Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee. Online 1 Online 2 Online 3

Atulsnischal 09:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Who are "Soni"???

If anyone knows any details and any published works that can help answering this question (Who are "Soni"???) please leave a detailed answer here as well create seperate page for them if they are not the same as "Mair Rajputs", thankyou

Name: Ajay R N Nandha, Email Id: ajn_11@hotmail.com Address: England UK Date of Message // Message

Hi im trying to trace my family history and know already that we are Bhati Rajputs who have settled in the village Modhwada near Porbandar. Our community (who were originally Rajputs) claim that during bad times a Parmar prayed to Hingraj Mataji for help. She is said to have supplied him with knowlege and tools of Jewelers and this has become our comunities occupation since. I also know that the community split into three groups and settled down in three seperat areas of Gujrat - Girnar (hence Girnara soni)this is me, Patan (hence Patani soni) and Kuchh (hence Kuchhi soni). As the community has changed its occupation we are not regarded as Rajputs - fair enough. Im happy to be a Soni. However i would like to find out about who my ancesters were and where they came from. My search has so far led me to here. I was wondering if someone could provide me with references to further reading and/or web sites so that i can find out more in detail about my ancestry and how we came to settle in Gujrat. Thank you for your time in reading this msg. A. Nandha (By the way as you can see my surname has changed, i know it was not so long ago but i dont know why it has changed)

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:U6bOsTs-UvUJ:www.rajputsamaj.net/joinrajputsamaj/feedbackview.asp%3Fcurrpage%3D172+soni+rajputs&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2

Found this Question at the above website

Atulsnischal 06:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Welcome You To Swarnkar / Mair Kshatriya / Verma / Sonar Samaj's own Web Site - "www.soniji.net"

-added above website to Mair Rajput article.

Atulsnischal 07:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] soni/maid rajputs!

Could someone edit this (he meant the "Rajput") article to include maid/soni rajputs of punjab!.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alokbagga (talk • contribs).

If you are sure you should edit yourself.Holy + Warrior 13:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

* Mr Bagga do you not mean "Mair Rajputs" of Punjab

Atulsnischal 08:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

As per the External Link: http://mairrajputs.tripod.com/notable.html

Bagga: "The Bagga claim descent from Rao Chhabila of Delhi whose complexion was bagga, which means white in Punjabi whence this name" (Rose 440). There was also a Bagga chief in northern Punjab. His name was Budh Singh Bagga and he is described by Saggar. "He was the son of Sardar Amar Singh Bagga and was of the Kanhaya Misl. He inherited the family estates in 1795. He held Majitha, Sukalgarh, Bhagowal and other territories in Amritsar and Gurdaspur districts" (Saggar 61). He fought against Maharaja Ranjit Singh in 1809 after failing to meet the latter's demands. Ranjit Singh won and confiscated all of Bagga's estates including the three districts of Behrampur, Dharamkot, and Sukalgarh. He left to Budh Singh Bagga an estate at Dharamkot which Bagga held until his death in 1846.

Interesting, I am also a Mair rajput, please help expand the "Mair Rajputs" page.

Thanks Atul Singh Nischal

Atulsnischal 07:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

NOTE Found above comment from Mr Bagga from the "Rajput" discussion/talk page

Atulsnischal 07:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV, References, citataion, non-specific

Hello User:Atulsnischal. I see you are doing most of the edits and expansion of this article. I just have a few concerns that I would like to address to make this a better article.

You have added many references and external links to the page, but no in-text citations which makes it very hard to verify some of the claims you have made. I have marked these out in the article as ^{[citation needed]}. Please add the appropriate CREDIBLE sources. You can not use unpublished, original research on Wikipedia as you have pointed out in the References section:

"This article on "Mair Rajputs" on Wikipedia has originally been written by Atul Singh Nischal (Bhatti / Bhati), I am a Mair Rajput, I have also referred to my own questioning of elders in our family of Nischal, Shinh, Sur and Luddhar / Luthra"

Furthermore, I rewrote this section due to it non-neutral point of view:

"With the partition of India in 1947 into India and Pakistan the Indian state of Punjab was also split in two. The Mair Rajputs living in the portion of Punjab that was given to the newly created Muslim country of Pakistan had to leave by force to save themselves from communal slaughters and forceful conversion to Islam, many of them fled their ancestral homeland now in Pakistan in a complete destitute state and had to start life afresh in India. All their ancestral land, property and wealth was left behind in Pakistan. Life was tough for them at the beginning after partition; they had to live in a destitute state in refugee camps in India before they were allotted specially constructed houses in the Refugee colonies by the government of India. Many of them settled in Delhi and other parts of India after partition."

Also, there is a large number of insiginifact External Links, please see the Wikipedia policy here: Wikipedia:External links

To learn how to cite your sources properly, please see:

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Overall, please reveiew Wikipedia:Manual of Style, and use a professional tone expected from an encyclopedia.

Thanks - - Ozzykhan 20:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reference provided for concerning Paragraph, thanks

With the partition of India in 1947 into India and Pakistan the Indian state of Punjab was also split in two. Hindus and Sikhs including Mair Rajputs living in the portion of Punjab that was given to the newly created Muslim country of Pakistan had to leave by force to save themselves from communal slaughters and forceful conversion to Islam, many of them fled their ancestral homeland now in Pakistan in a complete destitute state and had to start life afresh in India. All their ancestral land, property and wealth was left behind in Pakistan. The following book gives a detailed account of the atrocities commited against Hindus and Sikhs in Punjab during partition of India in 1947:

Talib, Gurbachan (1950). Muslim League Attack on Sikhs and Hindus in the Punjab 1947. India: Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee. Online 1 Online 2 Online 3

Please Note: Included are three online sources above from where a free online copy of the above book can be read for reference.

209.197.160.69 01:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copying from other sites

Also, please refrain from copying discussions from other websites onto this page. - Ozzykhan 20:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

This article on "Mair Rajputs" on Wikipedia has originally been written by Atul Singh Nischal (Bhatti / Bhati), I am a Mair Rajput, I have also referred to my own questioning of elders in our family of Nischal, Shinh, Sur and Luddhar / Luthra. ^{[this source's reliability may need verification]}
"The Mair Rajputs of Punjab" by Mr. Rajesh K Verma
The Mair Rajputs Today
Gothras of the Mair Rajputs
Notable Mair Rajput Gothras (Families)

[edit] Further Reading

Blunt, E.A.H. The Caste System of Northern India. Delhi: S. Chand & Co., 1969.
Chattopadhyaya, Brajadulal. The Making of Early Medieval India. Delhi: Oxford University Press, 1994.
Ibbetson, Sir Denzil. Panjab Castes. Lahore: Superintendent, Gov't. Printing, Reprint 1916 (from 1883 original of 1881 census).
Jain, Kailash Chand. Ancient Cities and Towns of Rajasthan. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, 1972.
Rose, H.A. A Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North-West Frontier Province. Lahore: Civil and Military Gazette Press, 1914.
Saggar, Balraj. Who's Who in the History of Punjab: 1800-1849. New Delhi: National Book Organisation, 1993.
Singh, K.S. National Series Volume VIII: Communities, Segments, Synonyms, Surnames, & Titles. Delhi: Oxford University Press, 1996.
Srivastava, Ashirbadi Lal. The History of India: 1000 A.D.-1707 A.D. Jaipur, Shiva Lal Agarwala & Co., 1964.
Tod, Lt. Colonel James. Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan. London: Routledge & Kegan Paul, Vol. 1 (1829), Vol. 2 (1832).
Walker, Benjamin. The Hindu World: An Encyclopedic Survey of Hinduism. New York: Frederick Praeger, 1968.
Talib, Gurbachan (1950). Muslim League Attack on Sikhs and Hindus in the Punjab 1947. India: Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee. Online 1 Online 2 Online 3

Please Note: Please add any other credible published sources that can be referred to here in this list for additional information for readers.

[edit] External Links

209.197.160.69 02:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Included in the Reference list

Talib, Gurbachan (1950). Muslim League Attack on Sikhs and Hindus in the Punjab 1947. India: Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee. Online 1 Online 2 Online 3

Atulsnischal 11:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mair Rajputs are a "conglomeration" of branches of different Rajput tribes

Mair Rajputs

The Mair Rajputs are a tribe, as it is a community related by blood. That does not mean that all Mair Rajputs are related to one another. Instead, since marriages form bonds of blood, the Mair Rajputs traditionally marry only other Mair Rajputs. The caste of the Mair Rajputs eventually has come to be goldsmiths, because that is currently their predominant occupation. Here is a possible method of classification that should reduce some confusion. The asli kaum or original community of the Mairs is the Rajput community. The Mairs, as far as I can tell, are a conglomeration of branches of different Rajput tribes. The Mair Rajputs collectively form a jaath, or tribe. The "traditional" trade or occupation of the Mairs is goldsmithing. The gothras, or families, are the sections that comprise the Mair Rajput tribe.

Source: http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:uOb-UazYIpUJ:www.search.com/reference/History_of_Rajputs+Mair+Kshatriya&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=32