Image talk:Major religions 2005 pie small.png

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This image was nominated for deletion on 2007 January 14. The result of the discussion was no consensus'.

This entire article/Image violates the WP:NOR policy. A "self-made" pie chart violates the sixth criterion of this important policy:

• It introduces an analysis or synthesis of established facts, ideas, opinions, or arguments in a way that builds a particular case favored by the editor, without attributing that analysis or synthesis to a reputable source

In the present case, this pie chart is a synthesis of (purported) facts derived from a single source. It does attribute the synthesis to a reputable source. Quite the contrary, it is self-admittedly synthesized (i.e. "self-made") by the contributor.

--Ubarfay 11:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I have created an alternative pie chart which does not, in my opinion violate the WP:NOR policy. It uses 'fully attributed data' (from the Encyclopedia Britannica) and does not 'change the significance of the data nor require additional assumptions beyond what is in the source'.

The down side of my chart is that because it does not edit the data, it includes quite a lot of religions and is therefore larger than the chart here. Still, if it is useful for use on any wikipedia pages, it is here: . Bryces 17:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion discussion from 2007/01/14

[edit] Image:Major_religions_2005_pie_small.png (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Bookish (notify | contribs). Violates the WP:NOR policy (see talk page) — Ubarfay 11:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - I am relisting this image from Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 January 6 without prejudice. Notification was not given and it is in wide use. --BigDT 20:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
  • One other comment - I have no particular preference whether the image is kept or not, but if it is, we can ask Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Images to improve to produce an SVG version of it. --BigDT 21:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. The image is useful and percentages are only slightly out. This is probably as a result of rounding up. However the image does need to be improved so that the percentages are exactly correct. Nicolharper 15:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. I am of the opinion that the pie should be retained. I'm not sure it violates the WP:NOR policy- a verifiable source should be possible to find if we look hard enough. However, unless we find a good source that can verify the exact percentages, the numbers should probably be removed so the pie just gives an overall idea. And yes, I think this badly needs an SVG convert. --ram_einstein 13:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. The percentages are the issue in dispute. Other Reliable Sources put Christianity at no more than 22% of the adult world population, meaning <15% of the total population. The French version of the Religion page gives numbers and therefore proportions statistically significantly different than the English page. This graphic violates the WP:NOR policy criterion:

"[...]synthesis of established [...] opinions, or arguments in a way that builds a particular case favored by the editor, without attributing that analysis or synthesis to a reputable source"

Granted, the act of synthesis is merely applying a spreadsheet graphing function on data from a source accepted as reliable. But, that source is not here attributed. And, to repeat, this same WP:NOR policy has been used to remove tabulations of data available from other sources that yield a dramatically different profile of world religiosity and Christianity. The WP:RS guideline requires neutrality on matters of religion. Either we allow graphical visualizations of multiple reliable sources, or we allow none. To permit only one source to be visualized is a flagrant violation of WP:NPOV. --Ubarfay 08:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

• Not deleted - no consensus to delete. I would suggest, though, as a possible compromise, that it may be worthwhile to simply update the image. A mutually agreeable source like the world almanac or something could be used to obtain up-to-date percentages and then a request can be made to Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Images to improve to create an image in the likeness of this one with the current/correct percentages. --BigDT 02:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Being still kind of new to Wikipedia, I don't understand this process. I raised a policy objection to this image, not a content objection. Reasonable people can disagree over whether the numbers are right, or whether it's even possible to find a set of valid numbers. My objection is not to whether this pie chart contains valid percentages. It's that it constitutes an artifact of original research as defined above. Is it the interpretation of those who voted above that my interpretation is not correct and that it is within the WP:NOR policy to publish an original graphic visualization of a synthesis of data without attributing that synthesis to a reputable source? Thanks in advance for the clarification. --Ubarfay 03:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
    • However, images are generally excepted from WP:NOR for the reasons stated at that article. 24.22.104.217 04:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)