Talk:Major Arcana
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How can the damage done by User:24.153.197.191 be restored? User:Wetman
- Go to "Page History" and click on the date for the revision you want to revert the article to. When this version loads (the top of the page will say that it is not the current revision), click to edit it, then save the page with the comment "rvrt" or something appropriate (if it's a more complicated problem than simple vandalism like this, a brief reason or "see talk" is good). Tuf-Kat 05:04, Oct 16, 2003 (UTC)
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[edit] pov
that particular list of tarot major arcana includes distortions by bohemians, Romans, Christians, The Golden Dawn, and New Age.
Yes, it is the most common version of the Arcana, no, it isn't the most accurate, not by a long shot.
How can we ameliorate this by including other points of view, and perhaps, a version history?
Prometheuspan 01:22, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mnemonic
Anyone else notice that XIV: Temperance is missing from the mnemonic card list at the end of the article? I'm not sure how to add it as I don't know the source of the rhyme.
[edit] List of Cards
The list of Major Arcana cards was removed months ago, and replaced with images which were later removed due to Fair Use concerns. As it stands, there are only ten cards listed, ignoring the (unsourced) mnemonic which only shows up on one non-Wikipedia based website.
I'm (possibly contentiously) replacing the pictures with mere text, with the logic that it's better to actually link to The Tower (Tarot card) than just have images of half the cards. If someone is able to finish adding fair-use images, obviously it should be switched back.
>>> I added new cards. By the way, I´ve been informed that wikipedia nomore recognizes the Rider Waite Tarot copyright of US Games Company.Don Leon 12:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] noncompliant tags on card articles
In January, User:Parsa and User:Smiloid tagged each of the Major Arcana articles as noncompliant, and added the following explanation to each talk page.
The article is just personal opinions from an occult enthusiast about the nature and meaning of a particular tarot card. No peer reviewed books or journal articles are cited. No references or footnotes are given. When a new statement is added, the source needs to be cited, and the source needs to be verifiable, and reliable. Waite is not an unbiased, factual source on the history or evolution of tarot cards. The work can be cited properly, however: "Waite's opinion in his book The Pictorial Key to the Tarot ... etc" The other sources are definitely of questionable academic weight.
The card in question has a history of over 500 years in European card games in which it is used as trump card (see Tarocchi). The article is unbalanced in that it only features the recent uses of the card for divination. This makes the article biased due to its recentism. Since the article ignores use of the card for game play in Europe and other parts of the world, it offers an anglo-american perspective that raises NPOV issues. There are academic sources and sources from international organizations discussing the history and evolution of the "World" card as well as its use in games. Such sources need to be utilized. - Parsa 08:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I have removed these non-compliant tags and replaced them with copy-edit requests, which I feel are more appropriate. Additionally, I hope to centralise any further discussion here instead of having it spread across the 22 relevant articles.
The main concern with the articles is with there "recentism", which is valid. There will, however, always be more information regarding the various possible interpretation of the card in divination; any special attribute of the card in various games should be mentioned briefly and discussed in detail in an article about that game. --jwandersTalk 22:27, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
