Template talk:Major Canadian Conservative Parties

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This template is called "Major" Canadian conservative parties for a reason, it is a listing of all "small c" conservative parties in Canada which are represented in legislatures. We cannot add the BC Conservative Party and the PC Party of SK if we do not add BC Unity, Reform BC, the Freedom Party of Ontario, etc, etc, etc - Jord 17:48, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

• I think Jord has a poit here. We need criteria to determine which parties shouldbe included. The Family Coalition Party of Ontario and Christian Heritage Party of Canada are conservative, too. And BC Social Credit. If we're talking about "major parties", the BC Conservative Party and the Sask PC Party do not belong here. I don't know if there is any point in trying to make this a list of parties that at one time were affiliated with the defunct PC Party of Canada. Ground Zero 16:28, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Michaelm's edits

I think that there is a bit of confusion about this template. This template as formatted is a list of "major" small c conservative parties in Canada. In order to be NPOV the fairest cut off between "major" and "minor" parties is whether or not they hold seats in the legislature/parliament of their respective jurisdiction. This is not a template for big C Conservative parties (i.e. parties with the word "Conservative" in their name) as that would exclude many conservative parties that use other names.

If we are to add VERY MINOR parties like the PC Party of Sasksatchewan (which hasn't even run candidates for several elections) then we have to add countless other conservative parties from various provinces with the same status; i.e. BC Social Credit, BC Reform, Unity BC, AB Social Credit, SK PC, Manitoba CoR, Ontario CoR, Ontario Freedom, etc etc etc not to mention defunct parties that were once major.

Michaelm, if you feel other parties should be added to this template, please say so here and state your reasoning so that others understand, otherwise we are just going to see the unfortunate situation of this template being reverted back and forth forever. - Jord 17:09, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes thous two party should be added because thay wear link to the PC's and the Conservative Party still work with thous partys so thay should be posted. Michaelm 17:39, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Michaelm, you have completely missed my point above. This is not a template for parties sharing the name Progressive Conservative or Conservative, it is a template for small c conservative parties. Please see the article conservative parties in Canada. I am reverting your edit. Please leave the template as it was originally designed until a consensus can be reached. - Jord 18:18, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Is it ok to leave in the BC Conservatives then Michaelm 20:32, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

No, the BC Conservatives do not have any seats in the legislature. If we include one party that is of that criteria then we would have to include them all in order to be NPOV. - Jord 20:47, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

The BC Conservatives ran only 6 candidates in the last election. They are a fringe group. Federal Conservatives in BC work for the BC Liberals (who have a better claim to be on this templates than the BC Conservatives). The BC COnservatives did not receive any support from the PC Party, which did not want to alienate BC Socreds, and then BC Liberals. Ground Zero 21:03, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Agreed However the Sask party should be removed as well Because its not clear what thay are. Michaelm 21:10, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

The Sask Party is a right-of-centre, i.e. small c conservative party, just like the PC parties in many provinces. I've seen and to some extent agree that the Sask Party is not a hard right conservative party, but no one would disagree that they are a small c conservative party and thus they belong on this template. If you read their website it is very much a party of small c conservative principles. Private sector instead of government intervention in the economy; small government; lower government spending -- those are paraphases of Sask Party principles 1, 2 and 3. - Jord 21:25, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Michael, this issue is currentlly being discussed at Talk:Saskachewan Party. Wait until it is resolved there before making any changes or you'll just end up in yet another time-wasting revert war. Ground Zero 21:29, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] BC Liberal Party

Why is the BC Liberal party not in the template? They have formed an absolute majority in BC since 2001. They held 77 of 79 seats from 2001 to ~2004. There are only two political parties in BC: the Liberals and the NDP. Guess which one the conservative people vote for...

Unless you mean conservative, as opposed to neo-conservative, then the Liberal should be left out because they are technically neoliberal. -maclean25 23:56, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Just because conservatives vote for a party does not necessarily make it conservative. The BC Liberals try to portray themselves as a moderate party of the centre which is a coalition of Liberals and Conservatives. I would not necessary agree with their analysis but I suspect putting them on the template would create an edit war. This template is supposed to compliment the article conservative parties in Canada, which alludes to the fact the the BC Liberals might be considered a conservative party, however there does not seem to be consensus on that and that is why it is not on the template. - Jord 14:41, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Umm... if the Liberal party of British Columbia is so conservative, then why do the vast majority of its members who move up to federal politics end up with the Liberal party of Canada? Perhaps you want to put the Liberal party of Canada on the list too? Please. --Sima Yi 17:55, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

The Liberals are BC's right-of-centre party, like the Socreds before them. The 'vast majority' of federal conservative supporters support the BC Liberals.Myciconia 18:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Erm, you didn't answer the question. So I'll ask again that someone explain why the vast majority of B.C. Liberal MLAs who move up to Federal Politics do so as members of the Liberal party of Canada. --Sima Yi 00:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Sask Party

I saw that someone wanted some more opinions on this. The Sask Party is extremely right of center, and I would consider them very right of center. It is trying to court moderate voters, but they're still right wing. They are made up of former Devine MLA (the one's that didn't go to jail) and some disgruntled Liberals (who don't have any seats currently). Wall worked for a Devine cabinet minister previously! They are trying to appear moderate because they realized that Saskatchewan doesn't vote right provincially (especially after Devine). The right-left spectrum is now understood as economic, and the Sask party is all for free market (they were accused of wanting to sell off the crowns last election), and Wall is an adimate Harper supporter (as are most of the Sask party). Check out a few more NPOV news stories: here. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 04:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)