Talk:Manic Street Preachers

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I just added some information about the early Manics philosophy of sellout as freedom. Please dont take this the wrong way, I am not doubting the Manics sincerity or calling them sellouts in that bullshit, punk rock fashion that is by now little more than a tired music press cliche. All I am trying to say is that by basically flying in the face of what was around at the time (the grunge/indie anti-success ethic etc.) the Manics both made it harder for themselves willingly and also that they one of the few (if not only) visible bands around at the time that were doing something new and unique to them.

"I Know I Believe In Nothing But It Is My Nothing" - Richey James Edwards. Motown Junkie 10:18, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The manics are so cute!!

[edit] Too many unsourced claims...

Alright, we have enough unsourced material as is, but a lot of new editors (while acting in good faith) continue to pile upon material that is not sourced, including some comments about the early era. We seriously need sources to make this a genuine encyclopedia article. Also, one user has added the 10th anniversary editions to the discography and deleted things he may not deem worthy (like the awards), which is not acting in good faith. For the anniversary editions, just add them to the original edition of said albums (which has already been done). Again, sorry to make a big deal about this but this article definitely needs work. --TLIP 23:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

The 10th anniversary editions are important to be included in the discography because they show how successful the Manics have been, they are also completly new editions with around 25 extra tracks and a dvd. Why delete stuff from an article when *you* don't know what you're talking about, but the previous editors do? I completly agree with the sentiment expressed below. Why bother contributing to an article when some uninformed busy-body is going to delete what you've put because you are not able to get an online source to attribute it to. ED's article (a link to which is blocked by Wiki's ridiculous link blacklist) on Wikipedia is woefully accurate regarding your obsession with citations. --Smallblackflower 17:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I think deleting the awards and links and interwiki stuff was an accident. (I added them back in.) The new editor tried to restore them, but didn't know how to recover the formatted text from the previous versions (diff). -David Schaich ^Talk/_Cont 23:33, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I deleted the awards and links section by mistake. Many thanks for putting them back (very quickly!). -lonelywreckage

I contributed the info from an interview with Delirium that the album title would 'possibly' be 'Send Away The Tigers' and its been deleted, as was the Nicky telling Jupitus that they hoped to do a duet with Nina from the Cardigans. I wasn't making any of that up, yet its been edited out. I even quoted the sources for christs sake. In future I won't bother trying to help frankly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.34.118.45 (talk • contribs) 14:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Genre

In the info box Britpop is listed under genres. It's certainly not a genre I would associate with The Manics - can we take it out?

Wikipedia's own Britpop entry describes it as:

"Britpop emerged from the indie scene of the early 1990s and was characterised by bands influenced by British guitar pop music of the 1960s and 1970s. The movement developed as a reaction against various musical and cultural trends in the late 1980s and early 1990s, particularly the grunge phenomenon from the United States. In the wake of the grunge invasion led by bands like Nirvana, many bands positioned themselves as opposing musical forces, referencing British guitar music of the past and writing about uniquely British topics and concerns."

I don't think that refelcts The Manics body of work - even that produced during the "Britpop era".

--Mike Infinitum 22:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

• • Many newspaper articles reference Britpop when discussing the Manics, especially Everything Must Go. I also don't see that definition as excluding the Manics, who typically referenced British culture, developed as a reaction against various musical and cultural trends in the late 1980s and early 1990s and were influenced by punk, popular guitar based music of the 1970s. I tend to agree that I wouldn't categorise them as Britpop, but the wider audience does, and adopting a neutral point of view means we should reference it. The Manics are associated with the Britpop scene. After all, they supported Oasis at Knebworth, one of the seminal Britpop moments. I think it should stay, because the band are associated with the genre, whether it fits them or now:
    • "BRITPOP BANDS: Blur, Suede, Manic Street Preachers" Wales on Sunday (Cardiff); Oct 14, 2001; RACHEL MAINWARING; p. 20
    • "Obviously they were working in a vacuum of Britpop, the time when mediocre guitar bands could break through and shift thousands of copies. Britain was open to guitar music and the band admits they rode the coat-tails of the revolution." How the Manics were reborn Western Mail (Cardiff); Nov 3, 2006; Claire Hill; p. 1
    • "The 1990s saw a return to bands recording live in the studio as the advent of what would be known as Britpop created a whole new generation of artists. Bands including Radiohead, Spiritualized, Manic Street Preachers" The Independent (London); Nov 9, 2006; Terry Kirby; p. 14
    • "Everything Must Go was one of the high watermarks of Britpop" Bristol Evening Post 16 November 2006
    • " Bradfield is vocalist and guitarist with the Manic Street Preachers, one of Britain's best-loved bands, a spiky gang of punky, Welsh ideologues who rose through the '90s Britpop boom to become stadium-filling anthemicists." The Daily Telegraph (London); Jun 29, 2006; Neil McCormick; p. 026
  • There's a random selection of clippings placing the band in the genre. Hope that helps. Steve block Talk 20:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flicker and Jenny Watkins-Isnardi

Is this chap really notable enough to warrant his own article? There's really nothing there that can't be merged into the "Early years" section of the Manics article. PC78 14:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. No information in his own article whatsoever, might aswell be merged into the bands main article as only a sentence or two could give you all the information needed on him in the band. Speed2006 21:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Since no-one objects I'll go ahead with the merge. PC78 16:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, regarding that line about Flicker leaving the band because of musical differences, I've got a BBC article that says he was sacked [1]. I don't know enough about the band's early history to start messing about with the text though. PC78 16:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, same situation with Jenny Watkins-Isnardi. Is there really anything to say about her that can't be said in the main article? PC78 16:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I think more info should be accessible about Flicker and Jenny Watkins-Isnardi, as at one point both have been influential in the band girlwhowantedtobegod

They're both really nothing more than footnotes in the band's early history. But if you think more can be added to those articles, then be my guest. PC78 12:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I've gone ahead with the merge, despite the objection (of sorts) from the anon user above. There was very little content in the Watkins-Isnardi article anyway, plus I was concerned that it didn't meet WP:BIO. PC78 15:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)