Talk:Mariinsky Theatre
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After it was destroyed by fire it was restored as the Mariinsky Theatre its history is usualy bulked to the Mariinsky theater. lets merge abakharev 14:38, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Actually the Mariinksy Theatre and the St. Petersburg Bolshoi Kammeny are 2 seperate theatres.
The site where the current St. Petersburg conservatory is today is where the Bolshoi Kammeny once stood. It was remodeled into the conservatory, sections of the original building were utilized for the conservatory (for example the main stair case). The original building of the Bolshoi was never destroyed by fire.
Originally the site where the Mariinksy is today was a building that housed the circus, as well as the Italian Opera. Thiswas the building that burned down, and subsequently the Mariinksy was built in its place, designed by the grandfather of Alexander Benois.
Alot if historicle sources, etc. have this history very much confused, similar to many historians stating that Minkus' first ballet was "Paquita", scored jointly with Deldevez.
- Yes, I know that the theters were in the different locations (as a matter of fact it was me who put the info about the location on the article about the Bolshoi Kammeny Theater. A theater is more than a building, it is people, traditions, etc. They passed from the Kammeny to Mariinsky. That is why, the history of the theters are usually put together. E.g. in Mariinsky Theatre the passage: The Imperial opera and ballet theatre was established in 1783 on behest of Catherine the Great. is related to the Bolshoy Kamenny Theater. There was nothing related to Opera or Ballet on the place of Mariinsky in the 18th century, etc. The same way the history of the theaters is merged in the history display of the Mariinsky itself (or at least was displayed before I left Russia). Thus, I am for merging. If we would keep the articles separate we need to refer St. Petersburg Imperial Bolshoi Kammeny Theatre, referred in the Mariinsky theater article, as part of the story told there is not about the Mariinsky. abakharev 06:34, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I plan on writing an article on the Bolshoi Kammeny. I have some pictures of it as well. Adam
- You may add the picture and data to the Mariinka article. Why not? --Ghirla | talk 07:38, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
- After finding a reference to on the Verdi page to the premiere of "La forza del destino" taking place in the "Imperial Theatre" in Saint Petersburg, I found that the link went nowhere, so created a link to the Mariinsky.
However, prior to reading the above, I went to various texts to see what the source of all this is was, and I found the following:
Budden, Vol. 2,(paperback), notes on page 427 a letter to the composer asking "would Verdi consider a commission from the Imperial Theatre of St Petersburg".
Phillips-Matz, page 439, says "a proposal from the Imperial Theatre" was sent to Verdi in December 1860.
NOW - Budden gives the first performance as: "Bolshoi Theatre on 10 November 1862" (p.426), whereas Phillips-Matz states in the Appendix: "premiere at Imperial Theatre", same date as Budden, (page 893).
THEN - I looked at Thierry Beauvert's Operas Houses of the World and he refers to the "Bolshoi Theatre" constructed in 1783, rebuilt in 1817 after a fire; then later to the 1855 Circus Theatre which burnt down and was reconstructed by Cavos (sic) as the Mariinsky. (page 68). But he states (page 72) that the world premiere of Forza "was a work commissioned for the Maryinsky" (sic).
SO - -Can we assume that the "Bolshoi" is the same as the "Imperial"??? -Was Verdi's opera really written for the Mariinski? -Surely a notation that the "Circus" Theatre was on the original site of the Mariinsky and it was the one which burnt down is in order??
PS: books named above are referenced in the Verdi article, plus the Beauvert is on the Opera houses page.
I certainly think that a separate article is fine, but that the Mariinski one should include a more explicit reference to how it came into being.
Vivaverdi 19:41, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
