Talk:Marilyn French

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What is the meaning of Naisten Huone, Vertavuotava Sydän, Vallan Tuolla Puolen, Sota Naisia Vastaan, Kesämies and Kausi Helvetissä? Is this a joke or what??? <KF> 23:13, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Is this Swedish? ABBA's song "The Day Before You Came" has a line that says "I must have read a while/The latest one by Marilyn French or something in that style." I have not heard of her otherwise until now (I clicked Random Article.) Maybe Ms. French was better known in Sweden than in the U.S. Nelson Ricardo 23:26, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

They look Finnish to me - perhaps the publishers of her books in Scandinavia? Shimgray | talk | 21:47, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-feminist

Show me a legitimite source that states that these critics are all against feminism. If you can, then it stays. Otherwise, it is original research and will be changed. Bsd987 21:13, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Bsd987, the sources linked are each of them explicitly opposed to feminism as a movement; they state this themselves ("Cool Tools 4 Men," the third source linked, even lists "Anti-Feminism" by name in the title of its main page.) If you do a Google search for the "quote", you'll find the following results:

1. BrainyQuote
2. A page from "Sex War", which states "Nevertheless I want to use this phrase as an example of the endemic anti-male sexism within the feminist movement" and elsewhere states "I am not saying feminism is like a hate movement, my hypothesis is that it is a hate movement."
3. WhatQuote
4. WikiPedia
5. WikiPedia mirror at Answers.com
6. CyberNation quote site
7. Article from Cool Tools 4 Men: "Feminists have used the word "rapist" to attack men in the same way that another hate-group - white-supremacists - used "Nigger" to attack black people." The website explicitly describes "Anti-Feminism" as one of the topics it covers.
8. ThinkExist.com quote site
9. Critical user review of "The War Against Women" on Amazon.com, from user david_byron, stating "Just in case you forgot -- this tripe is mainstream feminism. This book is an excellent answer to those who want to pretend feminist bigotry represents only the "extremists" in the movement."
10. MensNewsDaily article by Carey Roberts, explicit opponent of feminism as a movement
11. Politics - Feminism - Misandrist Quotes by T. R. Parker, from a quote list collected by "G. Schrock." "Victimal feminist thinking has at its driving core the concerted effort to avoid self-responsibility." The compiler, Gladden Schrock, is a professor of drama at Bennington College.
12. "Feminist Hate Speech", from the same quote list collected by "G. Schrock."
13. ThinkExist quote site
14. Quote list from fatherseqrts.org. Claims not to be anti-feminist: "These Feminist don't represent the true feminist movement, understand there are two. Feminist for equality which most of us believe in and feminist for choice. ..." Taken from the same quote list collected by "G. Schrock."
15. Comment on blog post at feministing, from commenter remarking "hmmmmm is feminsim a hate movement???" Taken from the same quote list collected by "G. Schrock."
16. WhatQuote quote site
17. WorldOfQuotes quote site
18. Article from The Backlash!, by Allistair McAllistar. Criticizes "Dr. French and her feminist colleagues," "these feminist mandates," etc. Publication takes its title from a book by Susan Faludi about anti-feminism in the 1980s, and is explicitly anti-feminist; cf. for example the recurring "Feminism Unclothed" feature: [1], [2], [3], etc.

... and so on.

I conclude that the folks who pull the quote out of its context at all fall into two groups: (1) bad quote websites, and (2) critics explicitly opposed to feminism, who present the quote as evidence of "misandry" by French and, by association, feminism as a movement. You don't need to make a synthetic conclusion to figure this out; the critics tell you what they are themselves. Those who use it for polemical purposes (rather than simply "quoting" it without either context or comment, like the bad quote sites do) are overwhelmingly explicit opponents of feminism. Thus, "anti-feminist critics" is the best description for them, unless you think that "anti-feminist" means something other than "against feminism." (I don't.) "Critics" simpliciter does not tell you anything useful at all about who is making the criticsm, and amounts to a rather obnoxious form of weasel-wording that is already far too common on WikiPedia.

Hope this helps. Radgeek 22:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)