Talk:Marquess of Bute
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[edit] courtesy titles
Given that the present Marquess was famous as "Dumfries", it's not surprising that his son does not use that style; and "Windsor" might easily be misunderstood (the future Earl of Plymouth is called Viscount Windsor). But with three viscountcies to choose from, why use a lesser style? I guess there's something special about "Mount Stuart", but what? —Tamfang 17:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Scottish courtesy titles are often a lot less systematic, and there are many examples of families simply using a particular title for no better reason than that they want to. The Earls of Mar and Kellie, for instance, use "Lord Erskine" when they could use "Viscount Fentoun"; the Earls of Wemyss and March use both "Lord Neidpath" and "Lord Elcho", ignoring "Viscount Peebles"; the Earls of Leven and Melville use "Lord Balgonie" when they could use "Viscount Kirkaldie"; and I could go on. There does seem to be a general trend towards ignoring Viscountcies — I suppose the fact that the Lordship of Parliament is an older and more traditional rank might be playing some part here. Proteus (Talk) 17:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
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Can someone check. I think the the Marquisate was created as: 'Marquess of the County of Bute' not 'Marquess of Bute'. Alci12 15:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, see here [1]. But the title commonly used is 'Marquess of Bute'. Phoe 15:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'd checked that one before I had posted but Burke's agrees as well so all's well. As always commonly used is fine as long as we mention the correct form first! Alci12 16:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'd checked Burkes too, but hadn't posted it [2]. I know it is always better to have got a couple of sources. Phoe 16:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Looking carefully Burkes does throw up Viscount of Ayr (twice) which wiki doesn't have and lists Baron Mount Stuart of Wortley, Co York. We need to verify we are right Alci12 17:27, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'd checked Burkes too, but hadn't posted it [2]. I know it is always better to have got a couple of sources. Phoe 16:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
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- One Viscountcy of Ayr was created on 2 February 1622 (along with the Lordship of Sanquhar), and the other on 12 June 1633 (along with the Earldom of Dumfries and the Lordship of Crichton of Sanquhar and Cumnock), both for the same person. Proteus (Talk) 18:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks - I had considered that one could be a regrant not a second viscountcy. Scottish titles and there multiple uses and reuses of the same titles are always tricky. I assume they all have the usual remainders for Scottish and British titles respectively. Alci12 22:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- One Viscountcy of Ayr was created on 2 February 1622 (along with the Lordship of Sanquhar), and the other on 12 June 1633 (along with the Earldom of Dumfries and the Lordship of Crichton of Sanquhar and Cumnock), both for the same person. Proteus (Talk) 18:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
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