Talk:Metropolis (manga and 2001 film)

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Contents 1 Sequel? 2 Image 3 Based on what? 4 Clarity 5 Date clarification 6 Tezuka's Manga vs. Fritz Lang's '27 film vs. this edition

[edit] Sequel?

Will there be a (novel, manga, movie, tv) sequel to Metropolis? The movie was left open-ended. -- John-1107V Ed Telerionus 02:18, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

's called a slingshot ending (which I thought was a term borrowed from Gene Wolfe, but apparently was coined by Kim Stanley Robinson) - and I think the openness of it is part of the excellence. --zippedmartin 12:39, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

When Tima turns to evil by the effects of her command CPU and Ziggurat throne, i would call her Nereius, Dark Lord of the Ziggurat of Metropolis who is the human form of a Skynet-type supercomputer. I heard in the movie that one of Metropolis's high-ranking military officers mentioned that one of Metropolis's enemy nations is developing a weapon of mass destruction; does this mean that there's going to be a sequel with Metropolis's enemy as the main villain? -- JohnVEd Telerionus 23:38, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image

We need images on this article! -- John VEd Telerionus 21:12, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Based on what?

This article claims that the anime film was not based on the '27 movie, though several sources here in Wikipedia referring to the movie say the anime was based on it. Whichever version is true it ought to be standardized.

Well, there should be a poster and some screenshots on this article. I know that the anime movie was based on Osamu Tezuka's manga, but i know that the movie storyline was similar to the 1927 film in which Tezuka claimed he received inspiration for his manga version of Metropolis by seeing the poster of the 1927 film. --206.255.32.51 01:22, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Clarity

am I the only one who finds the summary to be rather painfully incoherent and rambling?

[edit] Date clarification

"The movie also has the honour of being the first anime movie since the mid 90's to be aired on Channel 4 in the UK (It aired in the early hours of Sunday 30th October and was aired both uncut and in Japanese with english Subtitles)."

What year? --Daniel Lawrence 22:51, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tezuka's Manga vs. Fritz Lang's '27 film vs. this edition

Maybe this should be its own section. Allow me to share how I learned the difference between these versions: When I first saw this film adaptation in theaters I had only seen the Fritz Lang film. I was impressed by the reinterpretation of many themes from the '27 film, and I was curious to track down Tezuka's original manga to see how it was originally adapted. In the meantime I purchased the DVD and watched the commentary (where I learned that Tezuka did not want the manga adapted because he considered it a lesser work he was not satisfied with). What struck me about the commentary is that, not once did the filmmakers of this version ever cite the Fritz Lang film (despite the clear influences). Besides finding that tasteless, it reinforced my interest in tracking down an English translation of the Tezuka manga. I finally found one in 2003, and I was surprised to see that the original manga barely resembles the '27 movie and was seriously changed for this film adaptation. That's not to say that Tezuka's was inferior, rather that the story was different in many key areas from both film versions. Tezuka clearly aimed the story at younger readers: it removes all the complex elements of social struggle, includes much more slapstick antics, and even has a sequence where multiple, evil copies of Mickey Mouse (they do not merely resemble Mickey, they are actual replicas) attack the protagonists. As is noted in the article, Tezuka claims to have never seen the '27 film and merely based his version off of the posters. It should also be briefly noted that the manga includes a very troubling depiction of black people in the Metropolis in the early scenes (something that virtually all Japanese drawings did at the time, and is the subject of a preface in the Dark Horse edition). While this story, using Tezuka's style of uncomplex artwork, worked as manga aimed at younger audiences, the film version was seriously rewritten to appeal to older audiences. It reintroduced a strong theme of class struggle in the Metropolis and applied that to the robot class as well. The art also became far more industrialized, showing a shining upper city and an ugly, forgotten lower city. Both of these elements, thematic and artistic, are obviously drawn back from the '27 Fritz Lang film. After expecting Tezuka's version to clearly be the source for the '01 adaptation, I can say, without hesitation, that the 2001 film in this article is almost evenly inspired by Tezuka's manga and Lang's film. Anyway, I found it easier to write this POV here than try and create a new section in the limited time I have Bobak 18:36, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the articles should be separated, to promote more being written about the manga. What is written about the manga is terribly sparse.