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Contents 1 Name of mercenary 2 Nickname. 3 Objectivity 4 Harry G. Smith 5 POV 6 Other Careers 7 Mike Webb

[edit] Name of mercenary

"One mercenary had died during the skirmish"

What was the name of this mercenary ?

Johan Fritz. I added a little about him. --Jpbrenna 04:09, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nickname.

Wasn't he known as 'Mad Mike Hoare'? - (Aidan Work 04:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC))

Yes, he was.

[edit] Objectivity

This line added:

"Primarily, Mike Hoare and his men were motivated by money, but their willingness to engage in criminal and violent acts was another motivating factor. Later in his career as a killer for hire, Hoare would be condemned in court and vilified by a judge for the atrocities committed by himself and his followers."

Much of the article seems to glorify Hoare as a heroic leader figure, which most historians would contest since his exploits and activities were often brutal and for substantial profit. This line was added for balance. Hoare was, in fact, never considered a heroic leader by any measure and in any written work.

Boy, this facility is really cool. I didn't think I will find an article on him. I just learned of him from this bbc article [1] And yeah, I think Mad Mike should be redirected to this article as it looks like it was his nick name. Now, what happened to civilization? The article treats a mercenary like a hero WTF?

honestly, I must say that "brutal" describes a lot of people who have served in most militaries around the world. Primarily, if you believe Mr Hoare himself, he did what he did because he was anti communist, and felt it was the best way he could help the world, with his training he had (he served in WWII in the British Army for instance). I am sure he would take offense to it being said he did it for such a low reason as a willingness to engage in criminal activity and violence. if he just wanted those two things, there are any number of ways to do that without leaving his home in South Africa. As for being vilified by a judge, he definatly deserved that to be vilified, after all, he hijacked a plane (with the pilots consent) and had the plane fly to the location it was intending to go... reason for doing it? to get his troops out of the combat zone they were in... as for "never considered a heroic leader by any measure and in any written work." why make a movie about him then?

[edit] Harry G. Smith

Do a search of Guardian Karate School. Harry G. Smith was my Karate instructors teacher and member of the Wild Geese.

Some people NEED kill'n, and guys like Hoare and Smith are the ones to do it.

Peace.

[edit] POV

This article provides a number of useful facts. Still it is mainly a glorification of a mercenary. The passage mentioned above under "objectivity", and which contains some criticism of his conduct, has been removed from the article. --84.188.211.138 01:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

may I ask, if he was good at his job, "fought the good fight", etc, etc... what is the difference between mercenary and soldier? the fact that he fought for a country other than his own is a silly thing to base a view of someone on... George Washington would not qualify as a decent man then, neither would several other key players in history.

[edit] Other Careers

Is it true that Mad Mike Hoare was a qualified chartered accountant? Thanks in advance for any info. PeadarMaguidhir 07:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

yes, he was. and quiet a prolific writer to boot.

I haven't been able to find anything concrete to back this up (apart from a vague reference to the December 1980 Accountancy magazine disciplinary pages), but I recall hearing from an accountancy lecturer that Mad Mike was only thrown out of the ICAEW because he was in prison so couldn't pay his annual fees. In other words, they couldn't touch him for any of the "other stuff"! 86.140.171.105 08:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mike Webb

I really don't think that the radio personality Mike Webb is the same as the mercenary, and I removed the link.Grant McKenna 09:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)