Talk:Moderate Party
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There is prof that the Moderate is a Conservative Party not a Liberal-Conservative Party.[1][2] [3]
do you agree on neoliberal-conservative.
Thanks for providing the links, Michaelm. While I agree that one could read the platform as being "conservative", I think that we have to take into consideration the last line of [2], above: "Our policy is based on liberal and conservative values and ideas."
As well, [3], above, says: "Från början präglades partiets politik som patriotiskt och konservativt, men med tiden har liberalismen successivt vuxit sig allt starkare i partiet. Programmet 1919 slår fast att "den svenska högern är ett nationellt parti". Nu gällande partiprogram gör överhuvudtaget inga referenser till traditionellt konservativa värderingar." I can't read Swedish, but this clearly includes references to conservative and liberal.
I hope that a Swedish-speaking person can help us out here. Ground Zero 11:32, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Translation: "From the beginning the party's politics was characterized as patriotic and conservative, but as time has passed liberalism has grown stronger within the party. The party program from 1919 settles that "the swedish right wing is a nationalist party". In the current party program there are no references whatsoever to traditionally conservative values."
- Trust me, they're not a traditionally conservative party. I would rather compare them to the U.S. Democratic Party or the UK Labour party. From their official website: "Our policy is based on liberal and conservative values and ideas." ([4]). Thus I think it's fair to call them liberal-conservative. /Jebur 00:09, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Keep in mind that "liberal" means very different things in British English and American English and this leads to confusion. AE "Liberalism" would be the same as BE "Social liberalism", whereas BE "Liberalism" is roughly AE "Libertarianism". The Swedish words more closely match the BE ones, "liberalism" -> "liberalism" and "socialliberalism" -> "social liberalism". /Alk (060122)
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[edit] Social conservative?
"Since Fredrik Reinfeldt became party leader the party has moved to the center and the much of the libertarianism has been replaced by a more social conservative policy." What are the reasons for believing the Moderate Party has become more social conservative in recent years? To me, it is difficult to see any social conservative thinking in their current party program (http://www.moderat.se/politik.asp?mainid=2&subid=0)
- Well, they do seem to compete with the social democrats on who can be the most socialistic. Reinfeldt even accused (s) of wanting to lower taxes too much a few months ago. It's insane. /Alk
[edit] The English translation
Is there widespread consesus that Moderata samlingspartiet or Moderaterna should be rendered as "the Moderate Party"? I would prefer it to either remain in its original Swedish form when used in English or else it should be translated as "Conservative Party of Sweden" or "Right-Wing Party of Sweden". --Big Adamsky 17:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
- I would vote to keep it at the present name, or possible move it to Moderate Unity Party (correct full name, although not used in everyday talk) or Moderates (Sweden). Conservative Party of Sweden would be bad, as it is 1) debatable whether that is a correct caracterization of the party today (its more liberal-conservative) and 2) the name 'Conservative Party' has been used by another group in Sweden. 'Right-wing Party' would also be wrong. It was the previous name of the party, and the party took a conscious descision to change it. --Soman 21:27, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
- The official name of the party in English is the Moderate Party, hence we should use that! JWT
[edit] A note on the origin of the "bourgeois" parties
I removed the following from the article:
"As all burgeoise parties of Sweden, M was originally sprung from Lantmannapartiet, an assosciation of conservatives in the first chamber of the Riksdag."
This is not true, as the Liberal People's Party was founded before from a very different group, in 1895 or 1900 (see the article). The Centre Party was founded as Bondeförbundet in 1913. The Christian Democrats were founded much later, in 1964.
On a seperate note, non-Swedes are not familiar with the Swedish system of using letters to represent political parties, so it would be sensible to avoid using it in articles (although there is a case for putting the letters in the List of political parties in Sweden article). Tamino 15:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Logo
Does anyone else think the Moderate Party logo looks like an inverted Westinghouse logo? --Xyzzyva 11:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
