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[edit] U.S. Amateur

Hi... I had originally renamed the page to remove the "Men's" part (which is not technically correct as the event is open to women). When I did that, I left the "Golf Championship" bit in there, as this seemed to be the pattern on many of the USGA championship pages. I'm not entirely sure that the word "Championship" is part of the official title -- it is generally referred to as the "U.S. Amateur" on the USGA's web pages, much like "U.S. Open" -- so leaving the word "Golf" in the title seemed OK to me. This page seems to show the more-or-less official names for the various USGA events. If you don't agree, then the page should probably be called "U.S. Amateur Championship (golf)", as the "men's" part is not correct (the "U.S. Women's Amateur" is the official title of the women's-only event, so there is no need to disambiguate that anyways). Or, perhaps change the name to "U.S. Amateur (golf)" in line with the U.S. Open (golf) article. What do you think? Carl Lindberg 01:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the article should stay where it is. If you look at the official site www.usamateur.org you will see that the "U.S. Amateur" label at the top has some sort of copyright tag. I would say the label is a logo, and that the words below "United States Amateur Championship" represent the official name. I don't think this interpretation is inconsistent with the fact that the USGA often uses a shorter form, - it is using an abbreviation for convenience, just as other people do. Mowsbury 03:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Hm. The mark is an (R), meaning registered trademark -- that would certainly seem to be the official name (it's not just a logo). On this page on the official site, they use "U.S. Amateur championship" (i.e. a non-capitalized version) when using the longer term in articles -- indicating that "championship" is not part of the title, and that the usage where they capitalize it is more of a page title where words are normally capitalized anways.

Either way though, I think the "(men's golf)" disambiguation should be changed to just "(golf)" -- that was the point I wanted to make more :-) The event is not barred to women, and "U.S. Women's Amateur" is the official name of the other event, so there would be no need to disambiguate anyways. Carl Lindberg 05:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The fact that it is registered does not mean it is the official name as organisations registered many images, phrases, names etc. As for the other point, I'm thinking about it. The fact that it is open to women is really rather theoretical; for all practical purposes it is a men's event, and would rename so even if a woman qualified for it. Mowsbury 16:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Meant to get back to this, but forgot :-) Yes, the women's part is mostly theoretical, but since there is a separate women's tournament (with "Women's" as part of the official name) there will never be a need to disambiguate with a "(women's golf)". It makes it that much harder to link to the page without a redirect. Carl Lindberg 18:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not really that bothered whether the word "men's" is included or not, but it will help some people. I don't see that it matters very much if a link is via a redirect, so long as it is not a double redirect. Mowsbury 12:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)