Talk:Mr. Bennet (Heroes)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is not a forum for idle discussion of Heroes. Comments that do not pertain specifically to the improvement of the article "Mr. Bennet (Heroes)" are subject to removal.

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Mr. Bennet (Heroes) article. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject.
Please sign and date your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~). Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Ask questions, get answers.	Be polite Assume good faith No personal attacks Be welcoming	Article policies No original research Neutral point of view Verifiability

This page is within the scope of the Heroes WikiProject, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Heroes. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.

	This article is part of WikiProject Television, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to television programs and related subjects on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the quality scale.

Contents 1 First Name 2 Alias 3 Villian or Hero? 4 Rewriting 5 'Major character as of the 11th episode' 6 Power, or some kind of Tech? 7 Correcting number of apperances 8 teleportation 9 Character Inspiration 10 For Company Man 11 Abilities 12 How "deep" did the Haitian go? 13 Bilingual

[edit] First Name

In distractions, when HRG's driver's license is shown, His signature is visible. It really really looks like "Gregory", however Im not sure how confindant one can be on this little info.Mrxerox 02:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I, too, thought it was Gregory on the signature, and maybe 'Ryan' as a middle name. My only question would be, is that the character's signature, or some random Texas DMV official?

The signature over his picture? Yeah, I think that's just a random offical. There's a signature in the corner, but it's just "Bennet."http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/5551/picture5ti9.png However due to all the biblical names on the show, and how they relate to the characters, I believe his name will be Abraham, just speculation though..GENick403 11:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alias

I don't think "Horn-Rimmed Glasses" should be regarded as an alias. Professor Suresh (the son) simply refers to Mr. Bennet as "the man with the horned rimmed glasses" because he doesn't know his name. Are people trying to build his character like that of the Cigarette Smoking Man? Mdriver1981 23:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

It's actually the name most commonly used outside of the fiction, and officially, no less. While not used often in fiction, between that common and MOHINDER's mention in fiction, it should count. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

To complement what ACS said, Horn-Rimmed Glasses is what every non-Odessa resident that's mentioned him calls him. Nathan refers to him as "a man with horn-rimmed glasses" in the latest episode as well. --dws90 05:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

This is a pet-peeve of mine: Mr. Bennett does not wear horn-rimmed glasses. They are the Clubman style, and at best could generically be called "half-rimmed". But they are absolutely not horn-rimmed. Even a cursory look into this will confirm it. I drives me crazy that people refer to him as such.

[edit] Villian or Hero?

The series seems to suggest that his role may not be villianous. Someone should comment about that in the article. Mdriver1981 19:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Not really. In general, it's better not to add pontentially redundant, obvious, non-neutral POV or OR to articles. Readers can form their own opinions, are none at all. Saying that his role is ambiguous might seem insulting. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

He is just a character on a TV series. Why would one be insulted by an allegation made on a ficticious person?24.59.186.128 06:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I meant to the reader. They can draw their own conclusions. Plus, saying "it's ambigiuous" would just open the door for POV assestments in the future. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 07:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

There have been a lot of edits to various Heroes pages along the lines of "We don't know if he is aware of this", "It is unclear how strong her power is", "It is unknown to what extent he can use his power", etc. Although I may have been guilty of adding these (probably not, but I can't state so with 100% certainty), I now usually try to remove these because they are not information. They are specifically a lack of information. Encyclopedias don't generally include lacks of information, though they may lack information. Please don't add stuff that we don't know; we'll add it once we do know. --Psiphiorg 07:52, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Excellent, Psi. I couldn't have said it better myself. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 08:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused. Why didn't Mr. Bennet have Brody Mitchum killed after learning that he tried to rape his daughter. I thought that he was the type of character that doesn’t seem bothered by killing. Surely he could have done so and gotten away with it. He seems to have an undying love for his daughter; therefore killing her attacker should seem like the right thing to do in his mind. Mdriver1981 02:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

*Gasp!* Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

We've seen no evidence on the show that Bennet is a killer. He hasn't killed anyone yet or expressed a desire to kill anyone besides Brody. And even if he were capable of murder, killing Brody in the hospital would result in a police investigation in which he would be looked at as a suspect, given that Brody was just in a car crash with his daughter. THe memory wipe was a much cleaner way of dealing with Brody. Primogen 18:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

It's facinating. I like his character. Mdriver1981 22:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Remember, guys, this isn't a forum. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Thanks for the heads-up. I wouldn't want Wikipedia agents knocking on my door. Mdriver1981 08:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewriting

Tried to bring it in line with the other character pages I've edited. Bennet's page particularly seemed to lack any clear text about who the character is (as opposed to the stuff he did).

Not sure about lack of information not being encyclopedic. While most of it seems needless (will we ever know the limits of ANYONE's powers completely? :)), some of it seems important to the character in question.

I wrote the line "Bennet's agenda and afilliation are shrouded in mystery." Is it bad? Renenarciso 19:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I would say that "shrouded in mystery" is actual information, not lack of information, as it indicates not merely that we don't know something, but that something is being purposefully kept from us. But that's just my take on it. --Psiphiorg 20:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

What Psiphiorg said. Primogen 20:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 'Major character as of the 11th episode'

This doesn't sound right, as Bennet has appeared in virtually every episode of the series to date and has had more screen time in some episodes than other "lead" characters. Saying he only becomes a major character in episode 11 is incorrect, don't you think? 23skidoo 15:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I suppose it would be more accurate to say that Jack Coleman is being upgraded from "guest star" to "star" as of the 11th episode. The effect on the character he plays will not likely be significant. --Psiphiorg 00:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

He has been in every episode and has been a driving factor in many of the plots. He has his own scenes, he has interacted with almost every other major character - so how is he only a "regular" as of the 11th episode? Was there some official designation? Did the credits list him as a guest star? - Kevingarcia 09:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, he was a guest star in the credits for the first ten episodes. In "Fallout", Jack Coleman was listed between Santiago Cabrera and Tawny Cypress. I would guess that the producers did not initially plan for Mr. Bennet to be as important of a character as he turned out to be, so when they realized the character's potential, they approached Jack Coleman (or rather, his agent) and worked out a contract making him one of the co-stars of the series. --Psiphiorg 18:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Power, or some kind of Tech?

Is Bennet's seeming immunity to Eden's mind control in "Six Months Ago" a power, or does he have access to some sort of technological protection from mutant abilities? Also, why isn't Eden mentioned as one of his associates, as is the Haitian? Applejuicefool 15:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no evidence that Mr. Bennet has any power himself. The presumption is that the Haitian blocked Eden's power, since Mr. Bennet told Matt Parkman that the Haitian could block Matt's telepathy (although it was not successfully blocked). Primogen 18:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Eden tried to alter Mr. Bennet's mind in "Fallout" and it was working, but then the Haitian appeared. Mr. Bennet simply said "we don't have time for this". He didn't seem annoyed, and it seemed like the Haitian guarded his mind. I wonder if the Haitian does that consciously. Kimera757 02:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

--

7 December 2006 - clues to support that Mr.Bennett has the power to block are as follows.

examples taken from various source's, that the Haitian is misdirection.

• Mr.Bennett even says it himself in a way when he is talking to Sylar. He says, no one has more than one ability except for you. If the Haitain can alter people's minds and damp powers, that would count as two
• When he instructed the Hatian to "clean people out" (Matt, the Quarterback) he always left the room before the Hatian did it.
• When he instructed Eden to persuade Isaac, he was outside the room when she did it.
• Six months ago, Claire's cut bled freely as HRG was there but was healed w/o a scar shortly after
• Matt's powers did not work in the interrogation room in the vicinity of HRG and Claire
• Sylar's abilities didn't work when he was in the room and I guess while he wasn't there there was nothing for Sylar to throw around
• Peter started coughing as soon as HRG came into the room as if the healing effect reversed itself. he was better after Claire asked for a moment with him.
• "Six Months Ago" ep, Mr Bennett tells Eden something to the effect that "Your powers won't work on me."

signed git 7 December 2006

If Mr. Bennet can negate powers, then why was Nathan Petrelli able to fly away from him in Las Vegas? Hmmm? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? The Haitian was there as well, if he can negate powers, why didn't he? I understand that there is a lot of evidence for this, just remember that at one time there was evidence of spontaneous generation. Rihk 04:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

--

Wikipedians don't do research, including analysis of a published work (in this case, a TV show). We will say he has a power when we're told directly and unmistakeably that he has a power. Primogen 19:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

We do research, just not the original kind. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Whoops! Left out an important word in my post. Thanks for the correction, Ace. Primogen 21:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the power nullification is some kind of technology, and not related to Mr. Bennet. If it was related to either Bennet or the Haitian, then they wouldn't dare leave Sylar alone, not with the power he has. Mr. Bennet will go to extremes to protect Claire, he wouldn't take a chance in leaving Sylar alone if he was the only one who could stop Sylar from using his power. --Stabbey 21:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

But Sylar did use it when they were gone. That's how he captured Eden. The only time he hasn't been able to use it is in the presence of Bennett/the Haitian. --Kmsiever 21:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Eden went in for the express purpose of using her power to make Sylar kill himself. If the power inhibitor is a device, she'd have to turn it off to use her power. --Stabbey 00:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, after searching the net and reading other opinions, it could be that Mr. Bennet is simply immune to powers being used on him, and that he does not block powers, because if he could block powers, he would have blocked Nathen Petrelli from flying away, when Mr. Bennet and the Haitian tried to capture Nathen at the Casino i think in the episode "collision" --Git 15:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The Haitian has the power block ability, or else Mr. Bennet would've stopped Sylar from escaping by stopping him. I'm sure that Bennet has no actual powers. Also I'm pretty sure the reason that Sylar was sick wasn't because of some tech but The Haitian using his powers. 161.184.44.153 04:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Correcting number of apperances

Mr. Bennet appeared in all episodes so far, except for "Nothing to Hide." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Renenarciso (talk • contribs) 16:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] teleportation

I added teleportation to the artilce but it was removed, so I thought I'd point you to the exact scene where he teleports. Its godsend, about 3:40 in, just after he finishes talking to clair he wipes his eyes, before he puts his glasses back on he's in sylar's cell. This was clearly one motion but he traveled quite a distance during it. Teleportation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.149.248.164 (talk • contribs).

I'll double-check, but from what I remember that's not indicating a "power", it's just a nice bit of editing. --Ckatz^chat_spy 18:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Character Inspiration

Being a huge comic book nerd, I noticed that Bennet bears a close resemblance to Henry Peter Gyrich from the Marvel Comics Universe, who also is occasionally depicted as wearing horn-rimmed glasses. Maybe the glasses are a nod to that character. I'm not sure where this fits in under the original research rule, though. 69.157.235.197 20:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

You would have to add a reliable source with this for it not to be original research. --WillMak050389 21:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] For Company Man

I saw tonight's episode. For people who are going to watch it, there are some flashbacks back in the years for Mr. Bennet. So, make sure you put the info in the "Beginnings", put it before info from "Six Months Ago" Nocarsgo 03:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)NocarsgoNocarsgo 03:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Also I added information about his death. Why was it removed? Saran81kid91 03:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Because he isnt dead -_-;

[edit] Abilities

Mr. Bennet does not have powers beyond the ordinary. But I think there's probably a place for listing his abilities in his character sketch. He speaks Japanese. He has worked with at least two different heroes and directed how they use their abilities. He probably knows their abilities at least as well as they know their own - but that shouldn't being in the section as it's definitely speculative.

[edit] How "deep" did the Haitian go?

So when he told the Haitian to wipe him, he said "Go deep. Take anything that will lead them to her," what was he referring to? The nature of the faked carjacking and the escape (which would go with the previous scene of Bennet setting up Thompson to blame the Haitian), or everything about Claire? I highly doubt the latter, but it's what some websites have been throwing around.

We don't know. To be honest, the second is more likely, but the show itself gave no indication yet. I'm sure it will be fairly obvious the next time we see Mr. Bennet, so we shouldn't add any information to the article until we have some hard facts. --dws90 03:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Wiping all about Claire would be unfeasible though. Unless he already had the house "cleaned" and everybody in the neighborhood wiped beforehand.--136.160.144.25 15:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bilingual

He may be more than fluent in Japaneses, because he can even think in Japaneses, which most people can't do unless they are bilingual, which means he was raised in japan, he has spent a lot of time in japan, or (the most unlikely in my view)he is Japaneses (maybe just half).

It may just be that he's studies for a long time, any presumption is speculative. My friend has never lived in france but can speak it fluently just because of lessons and a yearly visit. And She thinks in French whilst she's there and speaking in it, apparently it makes things easier. All I'm saying is, theres lots of reasons, any we give would be subjective and would breach WP:ATT. Jacobshaven3 17:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Just because your fluent in a language doesn't mean you can think in it

True, if you are fluent in a language, you don't have to think in it, but you can make a conscious effort to think in another language. I normally think in English, but right now, I'm forcing myself to think in French. Mr. Bennet wanted to distract Matt, so he thought in Japanese. Arwen undomiel 19:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

You have to think of words before yo u say the, it a reaction that happens so fast it doesn;t seem like your thinking it and also he was thinking back to the day he meet claire and was talking to Hiro's father- redspiderman 3/13