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I wrote this, but my computer logged me out. Tuf-Kat

In the course of tweaking a few details and adding a reference to Elizabeth Tatar's slack key article in Hawaiian Music and Musicians, I seem to have entangled one of the other notes, so that now the Tatar reference is somehow combined with the one to Kanahele by way of Manuel. RLetson 06:46, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

This is your diff. It doesn't look like you actually added any footnotes. Add <ref>Tatar, pg. 1</ref> and it should work fine. (or am I misunderstanding something?) Tuf-Kat 11:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Note #8 is the one that seems munged--it seems to be inserting the Tatar reference into the "Kanahele quoted in Manuel" one. There's something I'm missing about how the Notes pick up data from the References. If it were my own article, I'd replace that "quoted in" Reference with a direct one, since it seems to be pointing to one particular section of Kanahele's Introduction to Hawaiian Music and Musicians (which is within reach of my keyboard). I'm also trying to decode the note/biblio style and match it with what I used to teach 20 years ago in freshman English--a good many of the References are likely to wind up pointing to articles in HMM (which has the format of an encyclopedia with signed articles) in the form AUTHOR, TITLE, in HMM. RLetson 17:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I still don't understand what you mean. I added footnote 8. I have the Manuel book, in which Peter Manuel discusses something said by Elizabeth Tatar in an article in the George Kanahele book. I made the footnote the way it is -- if you have the Kanahele book and can check that Tatar does indeed verify the info in the paragraphs, then the footnote should be simplified to remove the thing about Manuel (which I've gone ahead and done, since you rather imply that you've read the article and presumably didn't see any problems). I've tweaked the references in question. Tuf-Kat 01:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

If you put the below into the article, it will create a footnote with the text between the <ref></ref> tags.

This is a statement. <ref>Source for statement, pg. 88</ref>

If you put the text below into the article, it will create multiple footnotes that link to the same note in the "Notes" section
This is a statement. <ref name=Source>Source for statement, pg. 89</ref>
The references listed in the "References" section are not linked through any technical means to the footnotes. Everything cited in a footnote should have an entry in the "References" section. Citing numerous essays in the Kanahele book is fine, but consider removing the entries in the "References" section for each individual chapter author (as long as the book itself is still there); the chapter author and title should then be in the footnote (e.g. Tatar, Elizabeth, "Slack-Key", pgs. 350 - 360 in Kanahele, Hawaiian Music and Musicians ). This will prevent the "References" section from becoming bloated with dozens of entries for each article in the book.

• Hope that helps. Feel free to ask me a question. Thanks for working on this article! (I've been meaning to try and clean it up for eventual Wikipedia:Featured article candidates, but haven't yet gotten around to it -- if you'd like to focus on this article, I'd be glad to help out where I can, though it sounds like you have a lot more knowledge and more comprehensive sources than I.)Tuf-Kat 23:32, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

So I'm too familiar with wiki syntax, and I'm sure I could learn if I could spend an hour or two here, but what about the Royal Hawaiian Band as a music institution?

If you're not sure how to add it, just write the relevant info in ordinary words here on the talk page, and say where you got the information from. Somebody will format it and insert it into the article. Tuf-Kat 01:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hip-hop commercials?

Is it just me, or is the hip-hop section getting to be a list of promotional mentions and links? The wikilinks I checked (Mother Goose, COD) point to articles with no hip-hop connection, while the external link/notes point to commercial or personal sites. Quadmag looks like a blog rather than a magazine, and DJ Elite's links are clearly personal (a Myspace page) and promotional. Candidates for editing-out? I'd rather see someone familiar with hip-hop in the Islands do it--but I'd urge that person to be pretty rigorous about keeping this descriptive, sourced, and non-promotional.RLetson 02:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)