Talk:Mystic Realms

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Contents 1 Player Names 2 Censorship 3 Reversion and shortening 4 Other info

[edit] Player Names

I'm removing specific player names because it takes away from the objectivity of the article. The point of a wiki article is do it can be an encyclopedia style reference. I fear that if we start adding our character names and the names of our friends, it will end up being less a legitimate article and more a chance for people to see their names on the net. if you can think up a legitimate argument to include non-cast characters that answers my concerns, we can always restore the player names, but right now, I see it creating problems and removing legitimacy Aranion 17:15, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree, player information would be more suitable to an MR specific wikipedia. Leoroc 02:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Censorship

Very generous assessment.

Censorship reigns, even on Wiki. Nice.

Check the article history.

Wikipedia is intended to be a scholarly informational source. Playing out personal vendettas here is inappropriate and threatens the integrity of the project.

Fixed, seems more appropriate without talking about Mystic Realms as a person you hate, but as an entity that can give enjoyment of a game to others.

I'm not thinking of editing those changes, but I wonder if it sounds too much like an advertisement now. Like I said above, Wikipedia is meant to be a scholarly resource, and I worry about this becoming inappropriate to that end and compromising the projects integrity.

I've gotten Permission from A.K. to include the information from the web page so we can turn this into an actual reference. It's going to take a while to do, and any legitimate help is appreciatedAranion 05:19, 17 May 2006 (UTC)Aranion

• As someone who still goes to MR and isn't one with a personal vendetta against it, I too say that there should be a "criticism" section of the article. Wikipedia is not a place to only show the "happy" side as the LTD owned domains are. As long as any critical information is factual and is done from an NPOV it should not be edited out. I have not bothered to read the history so I don't know if what WAS there was acceptable, but an acceptable version of the criticisms should be displayed. User:Leoroc 02:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

The trick will be to list the criticisms in an accurate and non-inflammatory way. The original psot was actually an inflammatory attack calling game admin facists, and a later rewrite called the first posters assholes. Niether of which were appropriate for Wikipedia. personally, I'd rather just stick to facts and leave out the pro and anti MR comments out. I'm working to rewrite this as factually as I can because I don't like how the previous versions seemed to be either blatant slanders or blatant advertisements. If you can come up with a "scholarly" criticism, then maybe it can be done in a way appropriate to Wikipedia. But if you are just trying to get a personal frustration heard, I don't think that would be appropriate to wikipedia Aranion 05:19, 17 May 2006 (UTC) aranion

• It was best to just get rid of the "Game History" passage, it came off as too much of a PSA for LTD, which they can use their own website for. Leoroc 00:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Taking off the NPOV tag, the article as it is now reads like an encyclopedia entry and has no bias in favor of or against MR or LTD.

[edit] Reversion and shortening

It's a good idea to shorten this article by expanding it out (have a separate Rot5 article with the racial and guild information and one for the other realms and such. It might even be a good idea to start up an MR Wiki. I don't have the time for it myself; but until someone does that we should not remove the information already here. Leoroc 00:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I would imagine anyone looking for MR on Wiki is looking for a quick overview. All the extras about races and the like can be found by directing readers to the official site. Locanti 03:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

True, but external links are not meant to be used as a substitute for Wikipedia information. Basically we can link to the MR webpage, and say that there's more info there, but that's not a valid enough reason to remove info from the Wiki entry. Setting up a separate MR wiki is probably the best solution and would be immensely helpful to new players. Leoroc 03:24, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other info

Information on the game world of this is great. It's perfectly unbiased, and descritpive of their game. As a former player, however, I think the other aspects need to be addressed. I wouldn't do it myself, as I'm not unbiased, but MR posesses the features of a business and a volunteer organization, and the owners/management have complete dictatorial control over everything. It's not like buying monopoly, where you put in your money, go home, and enjoy it however you want. People looking for info should know what they're getting into, which really is a social contract that they need to stick to if they want to continue playing the game. Also, I prefer to remain anonymous, as I have neutral relations with the company, and voicing dissatisfaction has been known to get people blacklisted in the past.

right now, my main goal is to keep this as "scholarly" an article as possible. Wiki is meant to function as a free encyclopedia, and we need to keep this article focused on this idea. If criticism can be done in a way that is scholarly, then it could be added in, but this is not a place to air dirty laundry about MR. There are other places on the internet that are more appropriate for that. we just had our "NPOV" flag removed because we took out the biased statements and turned it into something akin to an encyclopedia article. If you want to see how another LARP has been handled, look at the "NERO International" entry. Aranion 04:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)Aranion

Rest assured, I don't want dirty laundry aired here. I agree this isn't the place. I would just want someone looking for information to understand that "Mystic Realms" is not just a game world, it is also a privately owned company, and isn't in the same class as an RPG you can purchase the books of at the store (like D&D) and have a game at home on the weekend (without first notifying the company, getting permission, abiding by policies, paying royalties, etc). I think that's important information for people interested to know. It need not be an attack or advertisement, just the facts. The Nero Int. entry seems to have good info about the parent company/logistics and the flavor of the setting without turning into an ad for the game or setting, or being dramatic about their issues (like the alliance/international schism). (<- The previous poster)

As far as I'm aware that's rather par for the course for fantasy LARPs (as opposed to MET LARPs, but even those have the Camarilla organization sanctioning events) I really don't this information is vital to the entry at this stage. Perhaps after we have a section on the history of the game and MR ltd we can expand into there. Right now it would only be confusing and hard to place into the context of the article. Leoroc 04:56, 16 July 2006 (UTC)