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1 Part 2 Section
2 Rank
3 Survey/Discussion
- 3.1 Discussion
4 Naruto is asian?
5 New Picture Suggestion
6 Cat:fictional ninja
7 what is that attack?
8 making the article shorter
9 Great Ball Spiraling Sphere
10 Starting Rank
11 Forbidden jutsu
12 German?
13 Help!
14 Fourth Hokage
15 Picture
16 Current Team
17 We need to add this
18 Age

[edit] Part 2 Section

The part two section of Naruto is divided into New Personality and New Abilities. However, the New abilities section seems to be explaining the plot more than new abilities. Should a separate section for that under the "_______ arc" be added for it? Cherries Jubilee 06:26, 1 January 2007 (UTC) The Fourth Hokage is Naruto's father.

[edit] Rank

Even though he is still a Genin, Naruto is far from that level. Shouldn't it be added Genin(although Chunin level in ability or above) be put in the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.189.67.134 (talk • contribs).

No because we're listing their current ranks, not the level at which they fight. // Sasuke-kun27 23:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

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This is, frankly, ridiculous. There is no need to have a poll every time a dispute breaks out; resolve it with discussion and consensus. Consensus is the core of our community, the element that makes our encyclopedia an encyclopedia and not a democracy. Please consider polite discussion; site your sources, provide diffs. But don't make polls and/or surveys simply for the sake of it. Ask me if you've any questions about my decision to close this debate. Yuser31415 21:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey/Discussion

There's been a dispute between User:Someguy0830 and me (PL(DB)) about whether the Naruto characters can also shape-shift even though they can use Transform Jutsu, meaning that they can also transform into other objects. To be able to change size and properties (such as transform into a sharp object) is not an illusion or inconsistency as Someguy said and I shall explain why.

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[edit] Discussion

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I think that the Naruto characters can transform into basically any object. "Why" you ask? Naruto Uzumaki himself changed into a closed Fuuma Shuriken (which was then able to be opened up) with his Shadow Clone throwing him to Sasuke Uchiha. The problem of weight for Sasuke to throw him at Zabuza was nothing since Naruto's weight was as that of the Fuuma Shurikens'. If it was the actual Naruto as an illusion, do you think that Naruto could still be thrown like that? Also Gamabunta transformed into something that had claws (something he didn't have before) to grip Shukaku so Naruto can wake up Gaara. For more details, see Someguy's talk page for more specifics about the dispute as to the fact that the characters in Naruto can shapeshift. (Such as Oolong and Pu'ar of Dragon Ball, Shippo of InuYasha, Count Dracula, etc.) I really feel the need to add this Category:Fictional characters with the power to shapeshift at the bottom of each character's page as a category because they can shapeshift. PL(DB) 17:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Why, why, why are you having another poll? Why not try discussing it first? --Deskana (For Great Justice!) 19:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

And by the way, unless you can come up with an external source, what you're polling/discussing is original research and cannot be included in the article. --Deskana (For Great Justice!) 19:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

You can't outargue me so you want to win through a poll? Speculate all you want. The fact remains that it's original research as Deskana stated. No matter what the outcome is, it won't accomplish anything. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm only trying to prove a point here. See my discusiion below. PL(DB) 23:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

So, because they can shapeshift, you think that every character should be put into the associated category? Well, if you're going to categorize everyone for what they can do, you might as well add a bunch of other categories, because I'm sure most Naruto characters can create illusions, heal, manipulate electricity, lift stuff, clone, "teleport", be cursed, and numerous other things if they really want to. In fact, why should we stop there? They can also cook, golf, interview, be a communist and walk around in the nude.

What I hope is recognized as bad examples and sarcasm aside, just because someone can do something doesn't mean they should be put into a category, or else category sections could become longer than the actual article. Now, I don't really care whether or not the Transformation Technique qualifies as shapeshifting or not, but I can think of only a handful of characters who have actually used it, and even then they used it only once and during the start of the series. If you really want to add the category to that handful of characters (in the event that enough people think it's shapeshifting), be my guest, though the ability to be able to is far from unique in the Naruto universe. ~SnapperT o 22:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so I'm guessing some of you guys don't mind then if I add some of those categories then? I'm only trying to point out that the Naruto technique called Transform Jutsu is not an illusion technique. It is a ninjutsu. Naruto was able to change into as small as a Fuuma Shuriken to fit in his knapsack, then be tossed easily to Sasuke by Naruto's clone. I've already shown some external links from www.narutomangareturns.com/ to Someguy0830 as proof. Boss frog Gamabunta transformed with Naruto to a faster animal with claws (Kyubi). But I'm not sure if Naruto threw two little shuriken at those Samurai of Gatou's who were actual Kage Bunshin of Naruto transformed (since it has never been revealed). But yeah, some of those important categories Snapper2 named should be added in the articles (maybe not fictional nudist, etc., unless there is a character like that in Naruto that does that). By the way, I began a discussion before I even made a vote in that survey. The survey above only exist in case consensus needs to be reached. Get it? I'm not trying to be disruptive to prove something, but actually trying to prove to Someguy0830 once and for all, that the Transform Jutsu is not an illusion. It is merely more closer to a real form of something then it is to an illusion. PL(DB) 23:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

This doesn't prove anything. This is you using polls to get your way because you can't defend your point. I will remove the categories, because I've made it quite clear, as has Deskana, that your personal interpretation is not acceptable proof. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Did you even see my proof from Naruto Manga Returns? That is where I'm basing this idea from, Someguy0830. Do you even know what OR is to be exact? PL(DB) 23:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

"An edit counts as original research if it introduces an analysis or synthesis of established facts, ideas, opinions, or arguments in a way that builds a particular case favored by the editor, without attributing that analysis or synthesis to a reputable source." I know what original research is. You clearly do not. You are using this poll in such a way to make your point more valid when you lack the ability to source it. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

What in the heck are you talkin' about? I did source it. It's the Naruto manga clip. It's canon. Can you at least answer the question? Do you still think that the Transform Jutsu is an illusion and not a real form taking ability? Please don't answer anything to me like "It doesn't matter what I think. It's still original research. Stop bringing up this damn argument," Or something of that nature. PL(DB) 23:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I will continue answering you like that until you pay attention. Your argument is "an analysis or synthesis of established facts, ideas, opinions, or arguments" and yet you continue to ignore this fact. I honestly don't know how to put it any clearer, so I'll put it much more bluntly. Stop being dense and listen closely. The manga/anime is the primary source. You are not allowed to interpret the primary source in anything but the most basic of ways. What you are doing is trying to make a point by interpreting the primary source. This is what original research is. Give an external source (not manga scans) to prove your point or let it go. You're only cluttering these pages to get your way, otherwise. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, why didn't cha say that before then? So you want a site that says that Naruto characters can shapeshift, right? Yet, you still didn't answer my question... PL(DB) 23:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Riddle me this: if Naruto turned into a perfect copy of a shuriken, how did Sasuke know that the shuriken was actually Naruto? When Sasuke came into contact with it, he immediately was able to figure out what Naruto's plan was and knew to use one of his own shuriken to help with the illusion. Obviously there was some kind of indication that the shuriken was in fact a human in disguise, which would mean it wasn't a "perfect" transformation. ~SnapperT o 23:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but it wasn't an illusion either. Gamabunta had actual claws when transformed as a Kyubi, right? The Fuuma Shuriken transformation made Naruto small enough that he had fit inside his own knapsack. How do you answer that? Is it a screw-up by the author or is it intentional? What we don't know for sure is that could he had cut Zabuza if Zabuza hadn't dodged the Naruto-henge-ed Fumma Shuriken? PL(DB) 00:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Supposition and heresay will not prove your point. Illusions by their very definition allow for leeway. Give an external and reliable source saying beyond a shadow of a doubt it's shapeshifting or let it go. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:16, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I was under the impression that the Transformation Jutsu was a physical alteration, evidence suggests this, and wording suggests this. It hasn't been stated explicitly, IIRC. Has it ever been called an "illusion"? Could I get a page reference if that's the case so I can look at the kanji? Also, there is no specific evidence that mass is changed. I'm certain that Sasuke is perfectly able to throw the weight of a short, skinny, little 12 year old. That said, putting them into the shapechanger category is woefully pointless, as every Naruto character in existence (except Rock Lee) is able to do this. It'd just clutter up the category pointlessly. –Gunslinger47 04:46, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Snapper's opinion that the categorization isn't appropriate, since it's not a defining characteristic of the characters, as opposed to e.g. Naruto's duplication category for his trademark Kage Bunshin (iirc there has never been a fight when he didn't use it.) --Pentasyllabic 22:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Gunslinger47 that this transformation jutsu is a physical alteration rather than an illusion. The category is not wrong but it's pointless._AbelinC A usesobad 06:46, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Naruto is asian?

Should it be noted that Naruto is an asian character, yet he has blonde hair and blue eyes? Then again that one girl has pink hair...

It's anime. It doesn't have to make sense. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Naruto is supposed to have Japanese facial features. In one of the earlier tankōbon, Kishimoto includes a "realistic" drawing of Naruto. Varying hair, eye and skin color should generally not be seen as unusual or significant in anime, for reasons touched upon by Someguy above. –Gunslinger47 10:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I personally don't think it is necessary to mention that due to the fact that there is not much reason to believe that he would be any other nationality. For example, it is not mentioned that Timmy Turner from Farily Odd Parents or that Danny Phantom was american etc. --69.156.206.48 02:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Naruto is not asian, as Naruto takes place in a completely different planet as you can see in Naruto Geography 137.89.251.96 16:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Uh, I've noticed that most anime characters don't even look at all asian, and I think I've heard of them mention THAT IT'S ON EARTH before. I've even heard that overweight princess say something about "speaking american", not earthling. Who can tell if they were ment to be asian anyway, no one ever said that all cartoons have all americans.

Syarasu 02:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)Syarasu

[edit] New Picture Suggestion

Alright, with Naruto's anime moving into the Naruto II territory it might be time for us to start thinking about updating the picture... and I believe I know the perfect one. For those familiar with the later issues of Naruto, the picture I'm thinking of is the one with the older Naruto and younger Naruto standing in front of a police-lineup style height marker. It'd be useful as a comparison AND to illustrate the differences between part one and two.

I personally think it would be perfect, but unfortunately I don't have the picture on me right now. I'll get an image of it up ASAP, however. Cheers, Lankybugger 18:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe it Wiki Policy to keep with the youngest relevant picture when dealing with characters. The first introduced picture. Any pictures of him older go ::i believe:: beside the relevant period on the page a.k.a- Lower down by Naruto 2.--129.2.239.251 19:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC) err thats master shan...but i dont feel like sigining in.

As far as I'm aware, the policy has only been like that for now due to the absence of Naruto II mateiral in the anime... Regardless, I don't view it as much of a spoiler. There are articles which don't conform to this policy you mention (see Son Goku (Dragon Ball) and pretty much all of the Dragon Ball articles). Besides, anyone who reads the infoboxes for characters like Asuma Sarutobi are going to be in for a pretty nasty shock. Cheers, Lankybugger 19:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Dragon Ball is a series English speakers will be fully aware of, as it has aired here already in its entirety. Naruto has barely run through half of its non-filler episodes in English speaking countries. Using the pre-timeskip pic is appropriate for the infobox. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the idea of changing the picture. It's not very flattering for Naruto. I've been searching for a while and I can't find it, but I was thinking maybe that picture of him after he gets the kiss from Tsunade in Episode 96 might be a good choice. BUt that's just a suggestion, any picture would be better than the one currently posted.

The picture I was thinking would be good is located here. Anybody think this one suits better? I like it because it quite nicely contrasts the differences between Naruto at 12 and Naruto at 15. Cheers, Lankybugger 00:18, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

On a similar note, at the end of the RAW for Naruto episode 219 is preview for Shippuden which contains a colour version of the time-skip Naruto that we have at the end of the article. Should we use it? Retlor 11:56, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, Lankybugger, i completly agree, but why do you say it's moving into part II? Here in America, i don't think it's very near part II... --Sir pwnage 01:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I just saw the new image. It's ok, but Naruto isn't wearing his goggles or forehead protector, so he kinda looks weird.Ziiv 00:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:fictional ninja

Could anyone explain why this category was removed from every article? – Pea ceNT 16:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Adding every Naruto ninja to the Category:fictional ninja would clutter the category. For the most part, the ninja in this series are ninja in name alone, bearing little to no resemblance to traditional interpretations or historical actuality. In summary, the reason the category keeps getting stripped is because doing so is useless, and actually decreases the usefulness of the category as a whole. –Gunslinger47 16:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Fictional ninja is like a "trademark" of many Naruto characters and we should list them in the cat. I don't think it would clutter up the category, there're not so many fictional ninja anyway. Also, my question is why people suddenly removed the cat. Surely if it is really that obviously useless then it shouldn't have stayed there for such a long time before getting removed. – Pea ceNT 16:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

To quote Category:Naruto characters

[[category:Naruto|Characters]]
[[Category:Manga and anime characters by series]]
[[Category:Fictional ninja]]

That's why. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 17:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

*ahem* I should have noticed that myself. Good point. –Gunslinger47 18:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

We all should have some time ago. Sometime the obvious escapes us until a random passerby catches it. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 18:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

It's better to list each character than a category like Category:Naruto characters in Category:Fictional ninja. Why not remove this cat from Category Naruto characters so it would no longer be a subcategory, and then readd the cat to every other articles? – Pea ceNT 06:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Because it's easier this way. More often than not, people will want something in a similar category, and fictional ninja is something every Naruto character is, thus it being a sub cat is more appropriate. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

1) It wasn't the easier option in the beginning, you chose the more difficult move by deleting the cat from every article, while just removing it from cat Naruto characters was enough.

2) You've let this category stay in all those articles for some time, I doubt why you worry about other similar categories all of a sudden.

3) Put the two above-mentioned comments aside. The real trouble with this, is that not every single Naruto character is a fictional ninja. Not all summons are ninjas, the Tailed beasts aren't, either (not to mention some other minor characters). Still, they are all listed as Naruto characters, which is certainly correct. Now, I'm simply laying down that having the Naruto characters as a subcategory of cat Fictional ninja could be easier for you, but nine times out of ten this would be considered misleading and inaccurate – Pea ceNT 08:11, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

90% of the time is a grave exaggeration. Every Naruto character with enough significance to warrant their own character page is a ninja. Are you upset because pages like Tailed beasts and List of Naruto summons are in the Naruto characters category, thus making them sub-sub-pseudo-categories of the fictional ninja category? –Gunslinger47 15:27, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't stray from the point. Do you consider tailed beasts, for example, ninjas or not? I demand to remove the this category from Category:Naruto characters for the simple reason that not every Naruto character is a ninja. Summons, tailed beasts, or characters like Tsunami, Tazuna (you name it) maybe insignificant. Not that it mattered. They are Naruto characters nonetheless. Marking every Naruto character as fictional ninja is therefore evidently incorrect, unless you insist that those minor ones are not Naruto characters.

And for your question, no, "upset" is an exaggerated word. – Pea ceNT 16:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Besides the "upset" word, it seems the answer to my question was "yes". Your issue—your point of contention—is that the list of Naruto summons (and others like it) are in the Naruto characters category, which in turn is a sub-category of fictional ninja, therefor incorrectly (though rather loosely) implying that all summons are ninja. –Gunslinger47 16:57, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. – Pea ceNT 17:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

List of Naruto summons and Tailed beasts could just be moved to Category:Naruto since they aren't just about the characters. It would follow suite with the "Land of" articles; while they are mostly a list of characters, they are also informative about the topic in general. It's something to consider. ~SnapperT o 21:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, point taken. – Pea ceNT 00:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] what is that attack?

what was that wind attack naruto used to destroy sasuke Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique and create ripples on the surfaces of the water in episode 131, because it had to be sume kind of jutsu to do all and pulling back the skin on sasukes face. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.3.16.1 (talk) 03:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

It was no jutsu, merely brute force. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:23, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Yep. As Sasuke states, it's pure Chakra. Cheers, Lankybugger 14:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Humorously translated in the subs I've seen by ANBU as 'coercion-ness.' Retlor 11:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

it was either chakra, brute force, or kyuubi's chakra.

[edit] making the article shorter

Maybe getting rid of the demon fox section and replaing it with a link to the Tailed beast article because it also has something simillar to this section here.Sam ov the blue sand 03:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

That part is important. Focus on the plot summary. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Well in that case then Shippuden stuff shouldn't have gotten rid of. Why can't we use my idea, the nine-tailed fox part has all of that stuff so why can't we do it and is there another reason besides " That part is important."? And i'm not trying to fight with you or anything, ok?Sam ov the blue sand 03:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

If anything, the effect it has on Naruto doesn't belong in the beast's article. It does belong here. It doesn't need any more reason. It's an important aspect of his character. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh well then now that you've gone into detail about your reasoning, I agree with you.Sam ov the blue sand 04:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Great Ball Spiraling Sphere

Shouldn't that be added to Naruto's technique list at the top of the page? Blaxpidey - Feb 4th '07

I find it unlikely that he'll ever use it again given the existence of his new Wind Spiraling Sphere. ~SnapperT o 20:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

The list in the infobox is for "Signature jutsu/Kekkei genkai". The Ōdama Rasengan is exclusive to Naruto, but it is not signature. –Gunslinger47 21:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I dunno, I still think it should be there... its pretty signature. Also, if the Uzumaki Naruto Rendan can be included when it has never been reused after the Chunin Exam, I think the Odama Rasengan can be there as well. --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya!) 16:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Well i dont think the OR should be put up either...it was likely a one time thing, but I agree you have a point with the naruto Rendan, why the hell IS that up there?--Master Shan 19:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

He does the combo at least twice in the series, though the second time with a slight variation. When I allowed the Rendan to stay in the list, I was under the impression that I've seen it at least one more time somewhere in the filler, specials or movies. Either way, go ahead and remove it if you disagree. –Gunslinger47 21:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

He used it so it should still be there. User:Ghadden

[edit] Starting Rank

What's this nonsense? Everyone starts as an academy student. Is this starting rank as of the time of the series? Isn't this a bit unessacary? I mean thats information covered in article introduction, second paragraph at the latest.--Master Shan 23:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

And upon further inspection most of the older nin have N/A values in this slot anyway, is it really nessacary to say that the rookie nine and co started off as academy students? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Master Shan (talk • contribs) 23:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

Oh yea...it seems I won this argument...--Master Shan 00:36, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations. :-P

While I'm commenting here… I believe the intention was "initial rank", as in their rank at the time of their introduction to the series. –Gunslinger47 00:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Was he just talking to himself? And because no one answered he thought he won the argument. *runs off to laugh*.Sam ov the blue sand 02:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Ummm... yeah I suppose it is pretty obvious.....I mean, don't all ninja start as academy students? --Sir pwnage 01:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, when I checked back to view the topic the feild had been removed. So I claimed victory...it was supposed to be a joke...har har.--Master Shan 23:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Forbidden jutsu

I just want to ask this question because i think i missed something in the manga, in chapter 251 jiraiya told naruto to not use this jutsu, what was that jutsu he was talking about?

That detail is never revealed. ~SnapperT o 05:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I guess they want you to figure it out......... --Sir pwnage 01:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Please read the manga. It's obvious - Jiraiya doesn't want Naruto to use the Four-tails technique, the one that surrounds Naruto with the demon chakra and gives him 4 tAILS. besides, Jiraiya nearly got killed by it and using it weakens the Kyuubi seal. 64.131.199.65 13:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, because that is so obviously a jutsu. It's got hand seals, an actual name, the one-tailed transformation was given an entry in the databooks, all that jazz. ~SnapperT o 19:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

It's "Plot Release: 'That' Jutsu". ^_^ JuJube 08:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes, the ever famous that jutsu. Originally used by the equally famous that guy. Emphasis on the first word of that phrase. You Can't See Me! 10:51, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] German?

I'm not saying he is, but alot of people I know think he's German or of German ancestry. Most say that Their reason for believing this is that he's blonde, blue-eyed and somewhat hyperactive. I know it's pure speculation, but when you think about it, it kind of makes sence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Uber Cuber (talk • contribs) 02:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

I've never heard that one before. Of course, not only does Naruto probably not take place on Earth, but also if it did, we can't add speculation. Sorry. Retlor 02:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

See my response regarding the "realistic" Naruto drawing by Kishimoto above: #Naruto is asian?. –Gunslinger47 02:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Judging the ethnicity of anime characters based on physicall attributes such as eye or hair color is generally a mistake.--Master Shan 23:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

the hair and eye color most likely were for his unique characteristics, probably has nothing to do with his ancestry, but who knows it does not go into detail about Naruto's parents, relatives, and of course ancestry, so he may be German.....HA =0

I highly doubt that a character from a Japanese Manga would be made German without it being stated somewhere. Anything unless provided by a stong source would be pure speculation and does not belong here. --67.71.79.125 02:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Retlor nailed it. Naruto is not German, nor is he Japanese, nor Eurasian, nor Terrestrial (at least, not from our Terra). Naruto is Konohan, if such a word exists. Germany and Japan do not seem to exist in Naruto's world. You Can't See Me! 05:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help!

The Naruto Uzumaki article is completly messed up! The infobox has been ruined because some schmuck decided to put in a Naruto Shippuuden picture! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ghadden (talk • contribs) 21:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Fourth Hokage

Put The Fourth Hokage is Naruto Uzumaki's father because he is, so put it on —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.106.155.71 (talk • contribs).

Prove it. // DecaimientoPoético 01:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

In episode 91 with Tsunade, there is a flashback and it clearly states that this is true. Tsunade, Jiraiya, and the hokages talk and then the kyuubi is sealed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.106.155.71 (talk • contribs).

I just re-watched all of episode 91. The episode is 90% flashbacks, all from a time back during Sarutobi's first run as Hokage. In other words, a very long time before the sealing of the Kyūbi. You'll have explain yourself further, because I've no idea what you're talking about. –Gunslinger47 01:50, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

........hello —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.106.155.71 (talk • contribs).

Wikipedia is not about Truth; it's about Wikipedia:Verifiability. Kishimoto has went to great efforts to avoid any mention on the subject, thus your claim can't be verified. If you've read some published speculation, then please share your sources. Otherwise… –Gunslinger47 01:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I've noticed that people belive that he is naruto's father (some belive his brother), but there isn't anything to prove it, you can have some details about like he was blonde, Jiraiya says he had a personality like naruto, and he didn't want anyone to judge that one kid for what was inside him, but we can't prove it. He probably was his uncle and his parents were left unknown or he was no one related to him, but nobody knows and nobdy has a publicated source for that. Syarasu 02:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)Syarasu

episode 91 girl.... put a link to episode 91..... then we will talk. but he obviously is. yellow hair, yellow hair, rasengan, rasengan. it is just like what happened to gaara. duh. plus it seems like such a great twist too, so think about it. how do we know the third hokage is asuma's dad. did yo see 91 on youtube? F H cannot be naruto's brother why did you think that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.106.155.71 (talk • contribs).

The Fourth Hokage is Naruto's Father. The Fourth Hokage's name is Namako Uzumaki. He was the one that named Naruto and sealed the Kyuubi in him. Just like Gaara's Father, the kazekage. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.106.155.71 (talk • contribs).

And your proof of this is where? --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya!) 16:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Dude, that was so weak. If you're going to do a "The Fourth is Naruto's daddy", you could at least make debatible points like an Uzumaki name appearing in Gamabunta's scroll or something. 74.167.170.215 14:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I assume that you didn't get that from first-hand knowledge? The other names on the scroll are different the four times we see them, and are almost entirely undecipherable squiggles. "Uzumaki" is not seen within any of these squiggles. Either someone is very confused, or they're trolling you. –Gunslinger47 15:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

There is evidence that he is related to Naruto in many ways.First look at all the younger shinobi in the series with living parents and family. They all share unique resemblences with there elders. This isn't proof but it is evidence. Plus the creator always and i do mean always has family share unique resemblences. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Greenspirit (talk • contribs).

That's circumstantial evidence - it's never been explicitly said that they are related. Until such a connection is officially pointed out, we can't state in the article that Naruto and the Fourth are related. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 22:49, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

I hate to say this after all of that infobox trouble we just had, but that picture should never have been put there. Not only is it now on the page twice, but we should have a pre-timeskip picture in the infobox, just like we do for every character who was introduced pre-timeskip. Retlor 22:23, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I think you should change genin to chunin because he is a chunin now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.199.85.201 (talk • contribs).

No he isn't. He's still very much a genin. He was away from Konoha for three years, and hasn't had a chance to take a chunin exam. Retlor 15:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Heh. Truth be told, Naruto is fighting at a jōnin level. However for now, he's stuck at genin rank. Poor Naruto. :) –Gunslinger47 05:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Current Team

From the Hurricane Chronicle's(Shippuuden)episode 5, Kakashi says that he, Naruto, and Sakura are team Kakashi now. So change it please, thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by IRajesh (talk • contribs) 20:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

The anime's behind the times. The current Current Team is his last known current team. ~SnapperT o 20:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

So what you are trying to say is, the team on the information is the team from the old series, and will be up there till Shippuuden releases in places outisde of Japan? I know I must be wrong. :| --IRajesh 00:19, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

You are. The manga is further ahead than the anime, and in the manga Naruto's Current Team isn't with Kakashi. ~SnapperT o 02:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

what about sai and yamato —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.106.155.71 (talk • contribs).

What about them? They are members of his current team... --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya!) 23:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] We need to add this

This article has nothing that tells about Naruto's role in Naruto Shippuuden except for "New Personality" and "New Abilities". We need to add this soon! Ghadden 10:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

If we put in everything he has done, the article would get way too long. Most of the relevent information can be found at Plot of Naruto: Shippūden. Perhaps we should integrate some of it into this article, but certainly not everything he's done. Retlor 22:34, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

We don't need another plot summary, but overviewing the events that changed his character might be valuable.

Remaining the only genin of the Rookie 9 and Guy's group.
Gaara's death.
Meeting Sasuke again.
Elemental training.
His (effectively single-handed) defeat of Kakuzu, an S-Ranked villain.
Though Naruto might not be aware of it, Kakashi's thought that Naruto has surpassed him.

If any events are overviewed, it should be kept as brief as possible and focus on how they changed Naruto. –Gunslinger47 23:54, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

One small point. After reading Gaara's article there is nothing stated about him being dead and I think that would have been a major developemnt that would have been added. --70.48.111.5 19:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Age

In the 2nd part of the naruto series it is never confirmed that he is 15. if part 1 he is 12 in the begining, which we could say is the begining of the school year, which starts in september. his b day is in october meaning he turns 13 around when the show starts. if we assume the anime takes place in about a year and a half,if not a little more we can say naruto is a little over 13 and a half years old, almost 14 so if you look at his training, 2 more years would be 15, and another half would make him about 16 and a half years old.

71.57.18.162 01:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Or we could use common sense. 13 + 2.5 = 15.5 — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:58, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

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