Talk:National Alliance (Italy)
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[edit] AN and Fascism
Alleanza Nazionale has distanced itself from Mussolini and fascism, especially in the recent years, that it the main reason most die-hards left it, its transforming into a moderate right wing party. Listing it as “neo nazi” is unfair. It is a party in the ruling coallition in an EU country.--GeneralPatton
- I think I added it on the basis of a link from Neo-Nazism, which could probably do with a similar note. Sorry about that - David Gerard 08:08, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- I've added it now--GeneralPatton 11:57, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Party's logo
Alleanza Nazionale changed its logo, please update. This is the new one, showed just a few days ago: http://www.italianosdargentina.com.ar/noticias/images/alleanzanazionalenuovosimbolo.jpg Full article: http://www.italianosdargentina.com.ar/economia/index.php?n_noticia=1373
[edit] Flik
I do not know if it should be correct to be cited here, but a couple of years ago, during a nation wide political campaign they borrowed the Pixar A bug's life character Flik for promotional purpose. It is unclear if Pixar never authorized such an use. ALoopingIcon 14:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- It wasn't Flik and the most interesting thing is that AN used the carachter in Spring 1998, while the film was released in November. If someone copied one another, this was Pixar copying AN!!! --Checco 23:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Why rollback?
I do not understand why my changes were rolled back? This article is not encyclopedic and contains a myriad of unsourced entries which is nothing more than propaganda. One can write just about anything on Wikipedia and if it stays on the page long enough it all of a sudden becomes a fact!?Ellipsis4677 19:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- I changed something of your edits in order to make things clearer. I re-added only the intro about Christian Democrats and Liberals who joined the party. I can't understand why you cancelled this information. --Checco 23:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- My whole problem with this article is that everything has been done to highlight anything which can possibly be portrayed as being negative. If someone who knows nothing about the party reads this, he or she gets the impression that AN is just a bunch of recycled fascists. Unsurprisingly, that's exactly the way the left would describe the party... ten years ago. The constant references to the party's past are also unsourced, which is unfair in itself. As I said, on Wikipedia all you need to do is write what ever you like about a subject, hope that it stays online without anyone noticing for a while, and all of a sudden it becomes a "fact". AN's ideology is based on being close to the Catholic church and law and order!? If being close to the church is part of their program, then I suggest we add that to every Italian party from Forza Nuova to Mastella and l'Ulivo, as they are just close as AN. This is just one example. There is almost nothing which truly factual and objective in this entry...
- "Distinguishing itself from the MSI, the party has distanced itself from Benito Mussolini and Fascism and made efforts to improve relations with Jewish groups. With most hardliners leaving the party, it seeks to present itself as a respectable conservative party and to join forces with Forza Italia in the European People's Party and, eventually, in an united party of the centre-right."
- Here is another example... Even the MSI changed a lot with Fini in the early 1990s, let alone AN. The party already has established excellent relations with Jewish groups. It doesn't "seek" to present itself as a "respectable conservative party", it already is. This entry is full of this "weasel" like garbage, and I don't understand how you are not aware of this? This was possibly a fitting description for the party ten years ago when it was portrayed as a fringe party by opposition sources, but certainly not in 2007.Ellipsis4677 07:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I am not a leftist and I haven't anything against AN. Look what was the page 4 months ago... From then I tried little by little to improve the article (as I did for those of FI, LN, UDC and DL). Work with me, but remember that we have to balance our personal opinions. To say that MSI in 1992 was a respectable conservative party is not exactly what the 95% of political scientists would have said: as of 1992 MSI had a close relationship with Le Pen, was full of people like Rauti, was anti-American instead of pro-US, and the figure of Mussolini was still revered in the party. Now it is true that Fini is sometimes a progressive (on other issues he continues to be a national-conservative or a moderate nationalist), but the party? Catholicism and law and order are definitely two things shaping the image of the party. Catholicism is common with UDC (a right-wing conservative party from a European point of view and we are writing in en.Wiki), parts of FI and of DL, but Gasparri, Alemanno, Storace and Pedrizzi are clearly more chistian-conservative than Pisanu or Marini. Anyway help this article and at any time I will collaborate with you. --Checco 08:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
