Talk:Ned Flanders
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[edit] Trvia Section
The trivia section is very unorganized and some of it is not even trivia. I am going to remove some of the things that are not necessary (as they don't actually have anything to do with his personality or are just unimportant to the article). PhoenixPrince 03:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Name
Does the Flander's name also come from Senator Flanders, the US Senator who challenged and stood up to McCarthy during the 1950s?
- I'd always understood that Ned Flanders was named for Ed Flanders, the popular, but now dead, American actor.
[edit] Removed word
I removed the claim that Flander's parent's were nihilistic, since this is no evidence in the episode that they are nihilistic.
[edit] Worship/idolatry
How can you worship God to the point of idolotry? Manticore 03:28, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
- The terms are orthogonal. Idolatry is the worship of artifacts as contrasted to the worship of some spiritual entity or being which is supposed to be represented by most religious idols. However, it was, presumably intended to be ironic. This is similar in concept to the concept of fetish vs. other forms of paraphilia. A "fetish" is a sexual association to some particular object or activity that comes to be the focus of one's sexuality rather than merely an aspect or variety of it.
I don't think the fact that Ned Flanders isn't happy about his sons being Jewish in the episode a star is born means he is anti-semetic. Ned is simply showing his devotion to his own religion, it is nothing against jews. If my parents heard that i had converted from judaism to Catholicism they would be disappointed but it does not make them racist towards Catholics. I think who ever wrote that article needs to be careful before throwing the accusation of anti-semetism around so lightly.
[edit] Leftorium
Since the Leftorium only figures in episodes about Flanders, and as there is not terribly much to write about ("When Flanders Failed" being the only episode where it is prominent), I propose merging and redirecting Leftorium here. - choster 14:09, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
- I agree, seems a bit pointless by itself. Definately merge and redirect. Squidward2602 15:44, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
That being so, the link to Leftorium in the right-hand box should be deleted, as it links back to the same page 23:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
The Leftorium section claims that Bart Simpson is Left Handed while the Bart Simpson main article lists him as being ambidextrous. I'm more inclined to belive the Bart Simpson article but could say for certain. It's only a minor thing I realise but are the any points on that? Elaverick 20:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Huge package"?
Is this really necassary;
"He also possesses a large "package" as featured in the shower scene of Homer's singles dating video made after Maude's death."
Do we really wanna know how well endowed a cartoon character is?
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- Yes, we definitely do.
since Ned's "allure" is a ongoing theme (I'm thinking of Homer's horrified reaction when, on the ski-slope, he thinks of Ned's tight-fitting outfit -- "Stupid sexy Flanders!") it would seem that at least some mention of his attributes is quite appropriate... --Robertissimo 14:40, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] In literature
I don't think it qualifies for the main page, but thought I'd share this: Sheri Tepper refers to some people as having 'warm, kindly and nurturing Ned Flanders sort of personalities' in her fictional book, The Visitor (page 96). Barefootguru 03:32, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Alcohol
I was wondering about Ned and alcohol, in later episodes, like "Viva Ned Flanders" and "Duffless", it appears Ned abstains from alcohol, but in the episode Dead Putters Society, his has a bar with imported beer in his basement? Is this a continuity error or did I miss something?
the one where flanders has alcohol was an early episode when the characters were still being set up, according to the commentary
[edit] question about Ned Flanders
What episode was it that had him looking all muscled up like MR America....seems like he was standing in the Bathtub? --[user:nospmis] 9:45, 9 February 2006
I'm pretty sure you are talking about the episode named "Home away from Homer", season 16. --Fishysushi 00:57, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Age
The article states Ned's age cannot be determined, because although he stated that he was 60 in the season 10 episode Viva Ned Flanders (which aired in 1999 so he may have been born in 1939 Since the characters in The Simpsons haven't aged in 17 years, I think we can assume that he is 60. If we use the logic in the article when calculating age of the characters, Bart would be 27. If nobody has any arguments against it, I will change his age to 60 tomorrow. Prometheus-X303- 00:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
SNPP had this to say about his age: although his age was revealed in AABF06 to be 60, it is generally accepted that he's in his mid-30s or 40s. Prometheus-X303- 22:59, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't the info about his age be dropped from the article since its just a runing gag.Coasttocoast 22:06, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Before waging an edit war, I think I should point out something. In Hurricane Neddy, it is said the sessions take place thirty years ago. I changed his age to late 30s or early 40s because of this. Somebody changed it back to late 40s or early 50s simply because "his parents are beatniks." Doesn't it seem like them stating "thirty years ago" is stronger evidence than how the parents dress? Please respond here before changing it back if you think it must be changed back.Eric Sieck 02:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
even though he did say that he treated ned 30 years ago, the fact that the flash backes referents Gene Krupa and that ned says himself that his parents are beatnicks point to this happening in the 50's not the 60's. the docter probobley just forgot how long ago he worked on ned. also look at the snpp page for Viva Ned Flanders for whare I originaly got that he should be in his late 40's or early 50's
Fair enough, I'll leave it be.Eric Sieck 02:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
In episode The Mansion Family, during an award show with the people of Springfield present, an award is to be given to Springfield's oldest citizen. Kent Brockman then asks those who are over 60 to stand up, and in the background Ned Flanders can be seen raising from his chair. Thus he is over is 60 years old or older. (I added this to the article) Drogo 22:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- I'm more inclined to believe the events of "Hurricane Neddy" (which I agree is a strong indicator of Ned's actual age, as it provides visual and spoken proof), and that and what his file at SNPP.com say (...it is generally accepted that he's in his mid-30s or 40s) indicate to me that he is actually no older than 40 and that he is lying about his age, so the age section of his infobox should be changed to reflect this (Claims to be 60, but looks no older than 40). If not, then perhaps the info on Ned's age should just be removed from his infobox. Starbuck-2 05:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Looks like this convo has been over for a month. Since his age is still in the infobox, I also think it should be removed. 199.126.137.209 06:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- I've removed the parts about his age since I couldn't find a reliable source about it, and it could've just been a simple mistake on the show. Also, why would he need to lie about his age? It doesn't add up. --AAA! (AAAA) 10:52, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Other
I have the feeling that the reference to Ned being based on the Irish academic is a prank and should probably be removed...
[edit] Flanders Family Names
Isn't the statement that besides Ned all his family's names rhyme with "God"? How does Maude rhyme with God? Maybe that should just be re-worded to say that just his sons names rhyme with God. TJ Spyke 21:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
>I believe the intent was to have them all rhyme with god, and the closest way for a female name to rhyme was to skew pronunciations to have "gawd" rhyme with "mawd".
>>Maude Flanders has always been pronounced "Mod Flanders", meaning it rhymes with God.
em... it's never been pronounced Mod in any episode I have ever seen. --Charlesknight 22:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- It's the American pronunciations that sound the same
On the show, it is pronounced to rhyme with god. Sure about that.Fishysushi 01:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV
There seems to be quite a lot of POV statements in this article. i.e. '"'The Passion of Cain and Abel (the title characters were played by Rod and Todd; Ned played Adam) was a gory homage to Mel Gibson's faith-through-film agenda." Regardless of what one may think of Mel Gibson's prostelyzing, this statement is pretty biased. I've removed a few other statements saying certain things are funny because Ned says them, etc., since they aren't cited from some review or other source. --199.218.252.113 23:21, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Oops. Forgot to sign in and also accidently italicized a bunch of stuff. My bad. --Natalie 23:27, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fictional racists?
They've made Ned's character increasingly unpleasant over the years, the death of his wife is sometimes given as an explanation in fandom, but racist? The prejudices mentioned are against religions not races. I've never seen an episode where they show him as being racist.--T. Anthony 09:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- Oh I see where they get this. No, he clearly does not hate Jews. He was quite friendly with Krusty and other Jews when they were in episodes together. Possibly he believes "Jews run Hollywood" judging by that one episode, but it's also possible the dream sequence just represented his fear Hollywood would make his sons abandon Christianity. Wanting your kids to share your faith isn't Anti-Semitic. The Star of David deal is more about his obsessive fear some other belief system will be proven true by a miracle or by reason.--T. Anthony 09:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed, he's always been portrayed as getting on fine with the various different ethnic groups in Springfield. I'm removing the category. --Switch 11:56, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hello Joe
Her exclamation "Hello, Joe!" is entirely in keeping with the cutesy rhyming ways of the Flanders family. No Joseph Flanders has ever been mentioned.
- This sort of reminds me how young the demographic generally is for editing articles like this. There's no reason this statement would imply any Joseph. "Hello Joe" was part of an old routine/song. Something like "Hello Joe, what do you know, just got back from Kokomo." (Although where the Joe got back from sometimes varies) This was used once or twice in Mystery Science Theater 3000. I've seen indications it dates back to World War II or in least the late 1950s. Anyway the statement is most likely only meant to imply she's old and senile so spouts old routines/songs--T. Anthony 13:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Weather skanks?
This statement Ned watches Fox News, as well, though perhaps only for the "weather skanks" (whom he refers to as "hot") seems so out of character I wonder what episode it's from.--T. Anthony 09:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hobbies and interests
That whole section is just line after line. It needs to be cleaned up so it's nicer lookin'. Razorthe6249th 12:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
