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Neo-Geo is also a style of contemporary art, engendered in the East Village in the 1980's.

Should we make this article a dismambiguation and move the current contents to Neo-Geo_(Console), and make a new article titled Neo-Geo_(Art)?

Contents 1 Neo-Geo Gold 2 Wording 3 Dion Dakis 4 US launch price correction 5 Resolution 6 CD Quality 7 Physical dimensions of carts 8 Arcade hardware 9 Let's harmonize this mess

[edit] Neo-Geo Gold

The following text was at Neo Geo Gold before I made it a redirect to Neo-Geo, as it merely duplicated information from that page, and didn't even mention the Neo-Geo Gold(if there is/was such a thing).

The Neo Geo AES was a cartridge-based computer gaming system. It was the first Neo Geo to be released to the public. It cost $650 new, however the games cost an unbelievable $250 each. Though considered to be the best game system of the 90's the price was considered prohibitive. The joysticks on this system are very close to the ones found on Neo Geo arcade machines.

Specs:

   * Processors: Motorola 68000 (12 MHz), Zilog Z80A (4 MHz)
   * Display resolution: 320x224
   * Color Palette: 65,536
   * Maximum Colors On-Screen: 4,096
   * Maximum Sprites On-Screen: 380
   * Minimum Sprite Size: 1x2
   * Maximum Sprite Size: 16x512
   * Maximum Planes: 3
   * Sound Channels: 15 (7 Digital, 4 FM synthesis, 3 PSG, 1 Noise Channel)
   * Internal RAM: Work RAM: 64 Kb, Video RAM: 68 Kb, Z80 RAM: 2 Kb
   * Save Memory: Removable Memory Card

[edit] Wording

I don't like the following sentences in the intro:

This system was not years ahead of its time because of any innovations, it simply was the current standard of arcade hardware, but available for home purchase. The system was named AES (Advanced Entertainment System) by SNK, and is a slightly modified form of the MVS (Multi Video System).

It's slightly misleading or confusing to read. It seems to imply that the system had no innovation or that it was the arcade standard, even though there were others. Also, since the AES was the original name, I don't think it's accurate to say that the AES was modified from the MVS. Shawnc 02:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dion Dakis

Not that I care much for the man or what he did to the Neo Geo inserts and cartridges, but whatever happened with his, "business?" His last update on the site is around 2003 and Google turns up nothing new on this man.

Seeing as how he had an affect on the Neo Geo community as a whole with his propensity for attracting trouble and his mangled cartridges still floating around on eBay, I'm surprised there isn't any mention of him. Not that I think he deserves a place in the Wikipedia on any level.

He does not deserve inclusion in Wikipedia, unless there is encyclopedic relevance to the history of the Neo Geo scene. I would venture a "no". However, for information's sake I can confirm that SNK-Playmore filed a lawsuit against his business around that time. Any further details could probably garnered at one of the external links. Bobak 20:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] US launch price correction

I am one of the few people in the US who bothered to buy a Neo Geo at its nationwide launch (and I'm still a devotee, but I realize there weren't many of us at the time), and I can state without any question that the retail price of the system in the US was $649.99. I still have the box with the Software Etc. price sticker on it and would be more than happy to take a photo as proof when I go back to where the box is stored. Additionally, this price can be backed up by anyone in the Neo Geo community that's present on the various websites linked at the bottom. I base all my changes on adaptations of my own original research as a long-time moderator and admin of Neo-Geo.com and author of the Neo Glossary on that website. Any use is with my explicit permission. With that said, this entire article, particularly the history section, needs serious work to correct mistakes and add important reasons for why the system didn't succeed as a home system, but managed to thrive as an arcade unit for over a decade. That will have to be for another day when I have more time ;-) Bobak 20:44, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Resolution

The article states that the display resolution is 320x224. However, almost all emulators use 304x224. What is the correct one? --Pezezin 13:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Televisions have unseen lines used for syncing, closed captioning data etc. It is likely that the emulators just dump these lines and report only visible lines.--69.176.61.176 04:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that, but other machines like the Sega Megadrive or System 16 use a real 320x224 resolution, so I doubt it's related to blanking intervals. --Pezezin 23:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CD Quality

while the onboard Yamaha 2610 sound chip gave the system 15 channels of CD-quality sound (16-bit, 44khz stereo) with seven channels reserved specifically for digital sound effects.

I am really not sure where this is coming from but looking at the datasheets the YM2610 could only process 4bit sound at a maxium of 55.5KHz (mono). A far cry from CD-quality, which is 16-bit 44khz stereo.

[edit] Physical dimensions of carts

Just how big were the Neo Geo carts (how did they compare with SNES/Genesis carts of the era)? The slot on the system would suggest they were very large. Also, any idea on production costs of each cart?

[edit] Arcade hardware

somebody should make an article called Neo-Geo (arcade) which focuses on the arcade machine with the same hardware as the cartridge-based home console. --Nintendude ^message 11:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

that would be overkill. I say that as the person who wrote the Neo Glossary on Neo-Geo.com and site administrator. Such an article would be short and easily included as a subsection in the main Neo-Geo article which you decided to move. MVS/AES use identical hardware with only cosmetic changes to prevent swapping by arcade ops; CD is only a different format change made to allow for cheaper games. Besides, the history of the MVS/AES are inexorably intertwined: the MVS was created to advertise the AES which itself was intended in it's initial launch as a rental system. Making that move without a firm understanding of the system was a bit hasty... --Bobak 18:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Let's harmonize this mess

The name of the system is Neo Geo, not Neo-Geo. There's a massive load of cruft to clean up... can anyone set a bot to do the necessary changes and moves? - Stormwatch 08:00, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

While I agree this article is a bit of a mess, there's a problem with your comments on the name: SNK and subsequent variations thereof have called the Neo a variety of spellings, the current official site has it without any space or punctuation "NEOGEO". Other times its used the bullet as well as nothing at all (as the title is now). To claim one way is certain is incorrect. Please identify the so-called "cruft" and we can work on that. --Bobak 22:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm taking the more recent startup screen as the canon:

Note that there is a space between Neo and Geo. It's quite small, but you can see that it does not say NeoGeo or Neogeo or NEOGEO. But if you take the older startup screen as a reference...

...it could be Neo•Geo. However, the newer one should override the older one. Also, it can't be Neo-Geo because (as far as I recall, correct me if I'm mistaken) SNK never used that spelling.

Now, why not taking the newer, "official" spelling - NEOGEO - as canon? Shouldn't the newer one override the older ones? I suggest not taking that route. Consider this: I recall reading an interview, a looooong time ago, in which some Nintendo person wanted their then-new system to be spelled GAMECUBE -- and who calls it that? They pretty much have given up on that, since all-uppercase spellings tend to be ignored.

Thus I propose that Neo Geo is correct, and every different spelling should be changed to this. - Stormwatch 10:40, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

The problem with the newer one, without a space, is that its not longer associated with the console (which SNK-P stopped supporting) and is now just for labeling IP that was initially developed on the Neo Geo. I think it's a good idea to keep all the references to one name, probably the Neo Geo that you've already moved this article to. The first line can state that it's also been written as Neo·Geo, NeoGeo and sometimes Neo-Geo in different writing (the latter sprung up probably because a lot of people we're as familiar with how to make a bullet in the early days of online discussion). One think about SNK, they're idea of "canon" is pretty loose compared to many other companies. --Bobak 17:16, 16 September 2006 (UTC)