Talk:Noonien Soong

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Contents 1 Name questions 2 Number of androids 3 Cold Station 12 4 Arik Soong 5 age 6 Style problems, re: writing about fiction 7 is this paragraph needed?

[edit] Name questions

Is Kahn Noonien Singh the canonical name of the title character of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan? I only found one reference in English and another in Chinese. --Menchi 00:59 28 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Yes, at least according to [1].

Shouldn't we put the reason why the characters have confusingly similar names? Gene Roddenberry knew someone [in the war?] called something similar (I forget what) and put the name in the series in order to get him to notice it and (hopefully) get in contact with him again. I'll try to find out a reference for this. — Morwen

The latest episode of Star Trek: Enterprise might make a connection. "When genetic supermen left over from the Eugenics Wars hijack a Klingon ship, Archer must rely on their creator, the criminal Dr. Arik Soong, to help hunt them down." Arik Soong is, if I remember correctly, the great-grandfather of Noonien Soong. But I don't watch Enterprise regularly, so I only caught the end of the episode when I remembered Brent Spiner was gonna be in it. ShutterBugTrekker 22:30, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Noonien Soong was named after Khan Noonien Singh - watch the Enterprise epsiodes "Borderland", "The Augments", and "Cold Station 12".Avaleur 19:48, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of androids

Six androids? Anyone got a reference? I can recall three.. but then I've not read all the books etc... --Dante Alighieri | Talk 01:24, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Only the references considered canonical matter as far as Wikipedia Star Trek articles are concerned. Off the top of my head, I can only name three from the episodes and movies: B-4, Lore and Data. ShutterBugTrekker 22:30, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I forgot about the "reincarnation" android of Juliana Tainer. ShutterBugTrekker 22:34, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

In the TNG episode where Data meets Juliana Tainer, she mentions that before Lore Dr. Soong had created three others, but their positronic brains had not been stable, and had died. That would make six if you count Tainer.Poody 09:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't forget, when Lore was found, he wasn't the only one they found.. just the only one activate-able.. I remember several other occupied body-tube-mabobs.. and what's more, older (failed) androids were mentioned in dialogue..

[edit] Cold Station 12

According to the UPN Web Site on 5 November 2004 (Check the last paragraph...): "Cold Station 12" Friday, November 5, 8PM ET/PT

With the help of his genetically engineered creations called Augments, brilliant criminal Dr. Arik Soong (guest star Brent Spiner) and his superhuman "children" break into a secret scientific outpost to steal thousands of Augment embryos, and threaten to release the deadly pathogens stored on site if anyone impedes their plan to build an army

Meanwhile, Archer and the crew search for clues to Dr. Soong's whereabouts on one of the planets where he raised some of the Augments, leading them to find one of the doctor's less perfect children, abandoned by his siblings

• This is the second in a three-episode arc that expands upon the tale told in the feature film "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn" involving the Eugenics War on Earth.

[edit] Arik Soong

The paragraph about Arik Soong is relevant because the last words of Arik on "The Augments" hint very stongly (cough fanservice cough) toward Data's eventual creation. I'm about to work that paragraph into the Arik Soong article because it'll help flesh it out. Conversely, is there any good way to trim down the Arik mention here? --Christopherlin 03:00, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] age

I just know the episodes tell his age(he looks Very old) ,then how old was he then?

[edit] Style problems, re: writing about fiction

The article does not sufficiently tie its description of the character to the works of fiction (show episodes, books, etc.) in which those elements of the character's history are depicted. Even where an episode is cited ("Learned in the episode Datalore"), the information is still not given context in the episode. We need to know how this was learned. Are we shown in flashbacks? Just expository dialogue? Is this paragraph fleshed out with details from books? That all needs to be separated out. As the context is provided, the style can be modified to conform to how an article about a fictional subject is supposed to be written. "In 2328, Dr. Soong married Dr. Juliana O'Donnell" is inappropriate; "In the episode "[X]", designated as taking place in the year 2328, Dr. Soong marries Dr. Juliana O'Connell" is instead proper. Descriptions should be in the present tense. See guidelines for writing about fiction. Postdlf 00:01, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] is this paragraph needed?

"Although Dr. Noonien Soong's ancestry is not explicitly stated in the canon, his name is East Asian, either Chinese or Korean. Soong is a popular Chinese (宋) and Korean surname (송)." Is this paragraph needed in the item "Noonien Soong"? --220.52.8.11 09:20, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Is it needed? No. But I certainly found it interesting, and relevant. It relates to the origin of the name in the context of the fictional world. Mdotley 22:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC)