Talk:Oj, svijetla majska zoro

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Why do we think that it is the "future national anthem"? That should be documented in the article. Andris 10:43, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)

I am drawing the disputes to here. The Controversy section needs to be re-worked. It's highly NPOV and it talks of a de facto annexation of Montenegro, which is not quitte the truth. HolyRomanEmperor 20:44, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

The whole article is NPOV (I put the tag), but it is not fair to delete it. Try to improve the section. Emir Arven 17:57, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Then, why you keep on reverting the Controversy section as-is? It's... (restraining myself... ) highly POV-ed. It's better not to have it than to have it in this form. I'll try to work on it tomorrow, but do you and Nikola have better things to do than revert each other's edits? Duja 20:48, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

On the second look, I don't see anything better than deleting it. It contains no verifiable information whatsoever -- lyrics have been altered many times in order to make the case of an alleged Serbian heritage of Montenegrins. -- by whom? where? how? -- various forms ... can be found in Serbian press reports and propaganda material, and on the world wide web as well -- please cite one? having been discredited as forgeries, these attempts are widely regarded by both eminent historians and the general public -- by whom? where? -- fiercely independent -- when were they "fiercely independent" except in last 10 years?

It is possible (and even likely) that forgeries have existed but please offer some proofs. What we have here looks like speculation ^{[citation needed]}. Duja 20:57, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

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I have original Drljevic's Lyrics, as well as popular lyrics in Montenegro prior to adoption of the hymn. Do you think they would strangle the article? Nikola 12:10, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

start all discussions here HolyRomanEmperor 21:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

If they're significantly different from the current version, I don't think they would. The article is IMO now killed by "Really sung version" -- why repeat the whole text just to state that most verses are repeated? I'm contemplating removing it, leaving only the sentence about it. Duja 10:21, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Here they are:

A popular version[1]:

Oj svijetla majska zoro,
Majko naša Crna Goro,
Sinovi smo tvog stijenja
I čuvari tvog poštenja.

Lovćen nam je oltar sveti,
U njega smo svi zakleti.
Na Lovćenu NJegoš spava
Najmudrija srpska glava.

Lovćen krase Petrovići
A Kosovo Obilići.
Lovćen krasi grob NJegošev
A Kosovo grob Milošev.

Durmitore je l’ ti žao
Što se Lovćen opjevao?
-Ne, neka ga, nek’ se pjeva
Zasluga je NJegoševa.

Drljevic's text[2]:

VJEČNA NAŠA CRNA GORO 

Vječna naša Crna Goro,
Tvoj Lovćen je car Jadrana,
Ka seljaka tvojih djela,
Kad su čija opjevana? 

Volimo vas, brda tvrda,
I stravične vaše klance
Koji nikad ne poznaše
Sramotnoga ropstva lance. 

Lovćen nam je oltar sveti,
Vazda smo mu vjerni bili,
U njega smo vjerovali
I njime se ponosili. 

Otkada je Badnje Veče
Našu vjeru očistilo,
Među nama, seljacima,
Nevjernika nije bilo. 

Dok lovćenskoj našoj misli
Naša sloga daje krila,
Bit će gorda, bit će slavna
Domovina naša mila. 

Slobode će čuvar biti
Naša brda, naše gore,
Dokle zemlju sunce grije
I dokle se ljudi bore. 

Rijeka će naših vala,
Uskačući u dva mora,
Glas nositi oceanu,
Da je vječna Crna Gora. 

The centaur[3]:

Bože pravde, ti što spase
od propasti dosad nas,
čuj i odsad naše glase
i odsad nam budi spas.

Oj, svijetla majska zoro,
Majko naša Crna Goro,
Sinovi smo tvog stijenja i
Čuvari tvog poštenja.

Moćnom rukom brani, vodi
Kroz oluje srpski brod,
Bože spasi, Bože hrani,
Moli ti se sav naš rod.

Dok lovćenskoj našoj misli
Naša sloga daje krila,
Bit' će gorda, bit' će slavna
Domovina naša mila.

By the way, we'll have to make articles on older Montenegro hymns... Nikola 21:52, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Did it. Nikola 05:03, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Question

So we have Onamo, 'namo!, Ubavoj nam Crnoj Gori and this one (Oj, svijetla majska zoro). But the last has three versions. Could anyone explain it a bit? --HolyRomanEmperor 01:04, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why May?

Why is the month of May mentioned in the opening line? The rest of the lyrics don't really make it clear.

The fact that Montenegro's independence vote took place in May 2006 is no doubt a coincidence. :) --Jfruh (talk) 14:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

We might never know, but likely because it's generally considered the most beatiful month; "Oh bright down of February" certainly wouldn't carry the message :-). Duja 15:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

It's possible that it is a reference to an important date in the history of Montenegro, but I can't find anything. Nikola 11:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)