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Contents 1 Will people like DOCU stop vandalizing the links? 2 Top 10 or 110+ 3 Elias Wan 110 years old!!! 4 Methuselah 5 Oldest bishop 6 Age when oldest 7 Regis Philbin 8 A graph? 9 Question on article 10 How many men have been the oldest living person? 11 Near-future-supercentenarian 12 Yone Minagawa 13 Hryhory Nestor 14 No women table 15 Henry Allingham 16 Question 17 Reverts 18 List of the oldest people 19 110 year old man from Denver 20 Semi-protected? 21 This is just annoying! 22 Gertrude Baines

[edit] Will people like DOCU stop vandalizing the links?

There is NO reason to delete the links to articles like 'supercentenarians' and 'centenarians' while inserting silly links to inanimate objects like 'oldest companies'. For someone supposedly responsible, these edits are a waste of time and childish. → R Young {^yakł_talk} 09:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Top 10 or 110+

In the discussion of 'top 10' or 110+, the original intent was to have a 'top 10' list, but at one point there were only 9 living cases 110+. So, that's where the headline came from. I guess it could be argued to include all living male cases 110+, but that's not the point. Moreover, it's not fair to the females...do we list all the females 110+? In fact, we instead have 'top 10 oldest persons' including two males. So, men already get a break, being listed both ways, and getting to be included if far younger. We still have women from 1893 not listed yet. So, I think it's more than fair to just do a 'top 10 males' list.

Also, about the UK comment...one would think that an article on Henry Allingham, plus a separate listing under living WWI veterans would be enough. Trying to make Henry fit the table instead of vice versa is putting the cart before the horse. If he lives long enough, he'll make the table naturally. What, do you think the UK is 'crippled' and needs a 'crutch' (affirmative action standards) to be included? You don't think Mr Allingham can compete with the rest of the world? Think about it. Finally, one would hope that people would be a little less self-centered and parochial, and try to learn about other people around the world instead of just those in their area. Finally, you don't know if Mr Allingham is really next in line or not, do you? Another male might be born between the current #10 and Mr Allingham. Think about it.

P.S.: the issue with me is not really the UK per se, but things being blown out of proportion. Again, there are 9 women in the UK older than Mr Allingham (including Emmeline Brice, 111; Nellie Fields, 111; Annie Knight, 111). I think it is regretttable that women are once again related to second-class citizens...being ignored while the 'alpha males' are placed front and center, breaking the rules to get there. → R Young {^yakł_talk} 12:52, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Greetings,

What about the oldest living Russian Orthodox priest, born Dec 19 1896? There's also George Francis, born June 6 1896...the 'oldest man' list has still more cases out there...→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 08:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem is the validation to put them on the list, I know... Robert, do you have a contact for the Russian priest or for George Francis, i.e. is there some hope that these cases will be validated? I want a top 10, and not a 110+, but does someone know who the next men are after Aimé Avignon? The gap between him and the next two men I know of (Scarrabelotti from Australia and Arvonen from Finland - both born 04.08.1897) is too big to believe that there isn't anybody to fill it. Or what do you think? Should someone ask on the "WorldOldestPeople" mailing list? Statistician 12.02.2007 17:07 (CET)

[edit] Elias Wan 110 years old!!!

http://www.synod.com/synod/eng2006/11enoilyaven110.html

http://www.cerkiew.pl/news.php?id=5199

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.30.172.74 (talk) 08:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

But could this really be proven too? Extremely sexy 16:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Greetings,

Can this case be proven? Where are the records? Who is responsible for it?

Sincerely, Robert Young→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 04:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

HERE ARE TWO OTHER LINKS: http://www.orthodox.cn/news/031115frwen_en.htm and http://www.orthodox.cn/contemporary/shanghai/frelias_en.htm FROM 2003 AND 2006, WHEN HE CELEBRATED HIS 107th AND 110th BIRTHDAY. THAT SHOWS, THAT MR. WENS CLAIM "IS" CORRECT. HE IS NOT ONE OF THIS PEOPLE YOU`VE NEVER HEARD SOMETHING BEFORE, BUT SUDDENLY ARE 110 YEARS OLD. AS IT IS SAID IN THE TEXT, MR. WEN CURRENTLY LIVES IN SAN FRANCISCO, AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE PARISH COUNCIL AT THE HOLY VIRGIN CATHEDRAL ON GEARY BLVD.

I hope Robert will be able to validate him through the Census then, but he was probably born in an Asian or Eastern country, which will make it very difficult to do just that, so fingers crossed. Extremely sexy 21:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I think we should add him to Wikipedia. The standards here are slightly lower than the GRG...being a priest, its likely his entire life has been documented. The GRG issue is...will someone send those documents in? He won't be on the list without them, but we may assume he is 110...→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 03:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Methuselah

I'm curious why Methuselah isn't even mentioned in the article. Coming in at 969 years old, Wikipedia's own article on the man describes him as "the oldest person whose age is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible." I understand that most people do not consider the Bible to be a historical document, but I would imagine that he would at least be mentioned under a "Religious Characters" section or something. David Mitchell 21:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you, plus he is mentioned on the Dutch version of the article. Extremely sexy 22:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I disagree...a LOT. Mixing religion and myth with science is like putting church and state together. They don't go. What next, "China's oldest Daoist was 256" and "the oldest Indian vedda is 24,000 years". No, we don't need this. Sad.→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 07:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree: Methuselah's age is not verifiable, and therefore should not be in this article. 134.187.162.248 22:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oldest bishop

Bishop Juan Camargo Angulo +109 [[1]] List of oldest bishops, archbishops and cardinals [[2]] Polish wikipedia

He died a mere 37 days before his 110th birthday: pity. Extremely sexy 14:21, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Age when oldest

For those unfamiliar with it, if someone gets the 'oldest' title at 109 and dies at 112, then the range is 109-112. This is more scientific, as it shows the valleys as well as the peaks.→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 07:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regis Philbin

I watched David Letterman saying that Regis Philbin now is the oldest person alive. I think this article should say something but it did not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.21.200.24 (talk) 11:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC).

Are you joking? Extremely sexy 15:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

http://p206.ezboard.com/f247forumfrm1.showMessage?topicID=444.topic —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.139.161.25 (talk) 15:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

That's complete nonsense and not to be found. Extremely sexy 16:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A graph?

This article might be improved by adding a graph to it. I was thinking of one in the style of the Netcraft uptime graphs, thus one with diagonal lines, so you can see when one person took over the title of oldest living person, and the age difference between different people.

I believe this can be done with EasyTimeline, but I doubt it will be easy. If I have more time, I might look into it. Cheezycrust 16:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I think this is a very good idea. A graph could provide a better and much faster comprehension of the tables. Would it be possible to represent the disputed cases (like Izumi) in another way than the fully validated ones? weko0013 21:33, 22 January 2007 (MET)

[edit] Question on article

The article has two names flagged with an *, but no description of the meaning. I believe the * is there because the people are still alive. I just think that if the names are going to be flagged there should be an explanation. (unsigned comment)

Yes, so 114* = currently 114. Extremely sexy 01:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How many men have been the oldest living person?

Emiliano Mercado del Toro was the oldest living person for a short time. How many other men have been? 203.109.240.93 13:06, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Just the one since at least 1986, and, if Izumi is discounted, even since 1968, my dear friend. Extremely sexy 14:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

There were only five men who took the title "oldest living person in the world". If you count either Thomas Peters or Geert Adriaans Boomgaard, who are both Dutch men and are accepted by most demographic scholars as the first valiated supercentenarian, you have six men with the title "oldest living person in the world". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.137.70.137 (talk) 16:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

And why do females live longer than males? 58.168.194.22 23:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, generally speaking, that is correct, although there are exceptions, as always, but to my knowledge there is no real reason for this, apart from wars (especially the First and Second World War) interfering (although Emiliano Mercado del Toro made it to 115), so this has yet to be explained thoroughly, since it still remains that way, dear friend. Extremely sexy 23:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually that is incorrect. Females live longer than males due to biological reasons. The death rate for males is higher from conception to age 115. Even at 110 to 112, the death rate is still higher for males than females.

The preferred explanation is the XX theory, that women's second X serves as a backup system for the first. The X is far larger than the Y.

The fact that males are more likely to die in the womb indicates that even when environmental factors are removed, males still have a higher death rate. Hence, we can say that biological/genetic factors underlie greater female longevity, though factors such as violence and smoking make this difference greater.

Emiliano is NOT really an exception...he died at 115, seven years short of the female record.→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 17:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Nor is Christian Mortensen for that matter, but in our country females are currently the highest group of smokers. Extremely sexy 21:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Near-future-supercentenarian

George Francis from Sacramento was born June 6, 1897. In September (or October?) 2006 he was, as well as Ruby Mohammed, The Mother of the Nation of Islam, honored during the Fourth Annual Centenarian Celebration, hosted by the organization Take A Stand Against Elder Abuse and the Sacramento County Department of Health and Human Services’ Senior and Adult Services Division. The event was held at the Lions Gate Hotel and paid tribute to 30 locals who are at least 100 years old.

Link: http://www.sacobserver.com/community/071006/celebrating_centenarians.shtml (10.02.2007)

He may be older than you think. We have the 1900 census and other matches that confirm him to be born in June 1896. We're just waiting for someone from the family to contact www.grg.org.→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 23:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Leila Denmark is another possible future supercentenarian, having just turned 109 a month ago. She's also notable for her activities outside of her age.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 13:40, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I know: she was a great pediatrician or child doctor until she retired at the remarkable age of 102, but she is still giving help to parents, quite amazingly at her age. Extremely sexy 15:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I have met Dr. Denmark in person. However, she is not within the top 250 persons yet. Please wait until 2008 at the earliest.→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 03:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yone Minagawa

Can anyone confirm that she has died? I came onto the page and it had Edna Parker as the new title holder. I assumed that it was right and updated some of the other pages. I haven't found any sources but why would someone hoax this? Captain celery 11:04, 11 February 2007 (UTC)Captain celery

Perhaps it was just a vandal. Georgia guy 17:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, it looks like it. Obviously nothing is sacred. People think it's OK to pretend that someone has died. She is 114 and we are probably all a bit morbid, but that's just not nice. 87.194.21.35 21:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)Captain celery

[edit] Hryhory Nestor

How many sources are necessary to add a name to this list? I came across an article today saying that a Hungarian man is the oldest person currently living at 115: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=29&art_id=nw20070212104132105C373930 --MattSBrrody 18:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

We don't have an Hungarian contact, and their data aren't reliable, just like the Romanian ones aren't. Extremely sexy 23:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/1503676,69,item.html (unsigned comment)

And at http://svet.ihned.cz/c4-10030270-20496470-003100_d-za-mocnarstvi-se-na-ukrajine-zilo-nejlip too. Extremely sexy 12:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Greetings,

Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia. You're free to add any case you want. It's just that if its unbelievable, it will get reverted fairly quickly.

Let me just say this is another hard-to-believe claim. He still walks at 115?→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 03:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No women table

There is an oldest man table, but not an oldest woman table: why? I think it should have one for each gender. (unsigned comment)

Well, there is no need for since the overall table of oldest validated people ever already contains all these women, dear friend. Extremely sexy 12:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Henry Allingham

Henry Allingham's date of birth is 05/06/1896, so this needs correcting. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cwkcom (talk • contribs) 14:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

Can you prove this with some citation? Extremely sexy 15:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Where can I find a list that shows the 100 oldest people ever? (unsigned comment)

Well: over here, my dear friend. Extremely sexy 22:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reverts

Bart, if someone adds a good edit to a bad one, then the good edit still has to go in order to restore the page. Please add the 'good edit' to the restored page.→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 02:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I already restored all good edits, Robert. Extremely sexy 15:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Katherine Plunkett wasn't 112! Your rvt deletes the 'protect' making the page vulnerable to vandalism.→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 19:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

That's one minor error to be corrected then, but the protection template must be placed by an administrator in order to work: otherwise, the vandalism would still be enabled. Extremely sexy 19:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of the oldest people

Your 'list of the oldest people' already goes down to 114, so clearly these aren't the same. Keeping the 115+ is probably a good idea. If you want to go down to 113 on the other page, why not?→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 03:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

To begin with, it's not "my" list, since it has been compiled by someone else (please, do check the history of the article first), and, moreover, one shouldn't delete parts of an article without any concensus at all: a discussion is being held about this at its very own talk page, dear Robert. Extremely sexy 11:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

To begin with, Bart, I was complaining about the DELETION of the 115+ list, so quit the 'friendly fire'.→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 02:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I repeat: I DID NOT delete it (check it for once), and one mustn't delete any article without this consensus. Extremely sexy 15:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 110 year old man from Denver

I found this article: http://www.denverpost.com/ci_5335950?source=rss from February 03, 2007. It is about Ruell Millar from Denver, USA. It is said in the article that he celebrated his 110th birthday "last Thursday", what means on February 01, 2007. Is Mr. Millar still alive today, and can his age be verified? He would be one day older than French doyen Aimé Avignon, and being therefore the 10th-oldest living man in the world. There is also this article: http://cbs4denver.com/watercooler/local_story_061075529.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.137.103.149 (talk) 19:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

Well: thanks for mentioning this case again, but it's already being investigated by Robert Young and his team in fact. Extremely sexy 22:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

If he was still driving at the proven age of 109 years and 4 months, then that beats the record of 108 by Fred Hale. There was also the case of Layne Hall, who might have been 105 or 109, but I think he still died (and drove) younger than Mr Millar. 87.194.21.35 04:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC) (Captain celery)

Greetings,

Just to correct, Mr Reuel Millar was born March 1, 1897, and therefore is YOUNGER than Aime Avignon. His age is verifiable but we are processing cases older than his first. Also, as for the 'oldest driver,' a record still needs to be applied for. If/when I come into contact with the family, I'll see if they are interested in breaking Fred Hale's record. By the way, Mr. Layne Hall was 105. → R Young {^yakł_talk} 02:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

"03/02/2007" is an American (instead of European) way of writing dates, so not Feb. 3rd, but March 2nd, hence the mistake, and his exact surname is subject to various written forms: "Reuel", "Ruell" and even "Rule", so, do you know what exactly is correct, Robert? Extremely sexy 14:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-protected?

Bart, the 'semi-protected' status was to protect the article from edits by UNREGISTERED users, not to make it for admin's only. Do you understand now?→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 03:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Robert, do pay attention, please, since, as I stated on my own talk page, it isn't REALLY SEMI-PROTECTED unless a moderator follows a certain procedure to protect it for real: everybody can tag it, but unless he is a moderator, also everybody can still edit it (i.e. including anonymous users), as with the article about Ted Kennedy, and, by the way, I never said anything about administrators only being able to edit, but once again you don't read my comments as they are written, so I will prove my point by editing this very article as an anonymous user in due course, just watch it. Extremely sexy 15:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

It says it doesn't allow anonymous users with LESS THAN 100 EDITS, so, please read again.→ R Young {^yakł_talk} 23:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I tried to log in as an anonymous user, and couldn't, so luckily some administrator did in fact semi-protect it after all. Extremely sexy 21:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This is just annoying!

There have been the same oldest living people for nearly two months! I hope that at least one of those people is dead before my birthday! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jc iindyysgvxc (talk • contribs) 06:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

You are so funny. Extremely sexy 15:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Why, thank you! Jc iindyysgvxc 03:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I hope indeed you were just kidding? Extremely sexy 21:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

It is exciting when the leaders die and we have to update the list. But back in Dec/Jan they were dropping like flies and we were exhausted just trying to keep up with them, coming in danger of dying ourselves. It wasn't exciting anymore and we had hardly any time for arguing about semantics like date formats and time-zone issues. Even the vandals couldn't get a change in. Anyhow, the longer you have to wait for something the more dramatic it is. Like when Ian Paisley holds his first meeting with Gerry Adams. I hope old Yone Minagawa gets to 2008 before dying so that she will be 115 --Rye1967 14:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of which, whose side are you on exactly though, my dear friend? Extremely sexy 14:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I have emailed my answer as I don't want my personal political opinions documented on WP :) --Rye1967 15:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay: I hope to my Yahoo account. Extremely sexy 15:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gertrude Baines

Age currently listed as 112 years and "351" days. But it is only 4 (actually 3 here in New Zealand!) days till her birthday. Perhaps someone could correct this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.184.34.40 (talk) 01:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

I just corrected it. Thanks for pointing out. Mhwu 06:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)