Talk:Oxford United F.C.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

	The article on Oxford United F.C. is supported by the WikiProject on Football, which is an attempt to improve the quality and coverage of football (soccer) related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page; if you have any questions about the project or the article ratings below, please consult the FAQ.
Oxford United F.C. is also supported by the WikiProject on non-League football.
Start	This article has been rated as Start-Class on the quality scale.
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the importance scale.

[edit] Accrington Stanley

I have repeated my earlier edit (if not the exact wording), so that it now says:

One of the sides to be promoted to the League at that time will be Accrington Stanley, which was also one of the sides which were relegated from the League when Oxford was promoted to it in 1962.

An alternative version said something like Oxford had taken the place of Accrington Stanley, and that A.S. will now take the place of Oxford. Given that three clubs are promoted and three relegated, I am not aware of any basis for saying which of the clubs that go up takes the place of each club that goes down. Or can someone who disagrees with this please explain?

I also removed the word "ironically". I think it's ironic too, but that's arguably POV; the facts speak for themselves.

Arbitrary username 17:00, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I've reworded your edit as it talks about promotion and relegation; in 1962 there was no automatic promotion and relegation between the lower leagues and League Division 4 - clubs were elected to the League on an occasional basis. Accrington weren't relegated, they resigned from the league for financial reasons; Oxford weren't promoted from the Southern League, they were elected to fill the vacancy left by Accrington. In this case - one team in, one out - it's reasonable to state that Oxford "replaced" Accrington. The current situation is different, as two teams (not three, incidentally) are changing leagues. Some Oxford supporters have argued (half-heartedly and somewhat facetiously) that technically Accrington (top of the Conference) replace Rushden (bottom of the League), and that the team that "replaces" Oxford will be Hereford United (who won the Conference playoff), but it's an arguable distinction. Accrington and Hereford replace Oxford and Rushden, but no particular team replaces any specific other. I agree with the removal of "ironically" - it's not irony, it's coincidence. Dave.Dunford 06:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I've made a similar change to the Accrington page. Dave.Dunford 14:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the information; that's really helpful. Obviously I didn't quite realize the situation, but that's partly because nobody had explained it properly before you did. Arbitrary username 18:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

The other argument that could be aired is that the current Accrington Stanley is not the same club as the one that Oxford replaced. The original AS went bust in 1962, while the current club was established in 1968, with different directors and playing at a different ground. On the other hand, this might be deemed as clutching at straws. [[User talk:Brodders|Talk to me]] 13:15, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Honours

This entry:

• League Titles – Div. 2: Champions 1984–5, Runners Up 1995–6; Div. 3: Champions 1967–8, 1983–4; Div. 4: Promoted (4th) 1964–5

gives the rather misleading impression that Oxford have twice been promoted into the highest division in the League. The 1995–96 promotion, although the division at the time was called the Second Division, was actually from the third- to second-highest division in the overall league (as were the promotions in 1967–8 and 1983–4).

I'm not sure what the form is elsewhere (and personally I wish the marketing men had left the leagues alone) but it seems clearer to move it to the Div 3 honours:

• League Titles – Div. 2: Champions 1984–5; Div. 3: Champions 1967–8, 1983–4, Runners Up 1995–6; Div. 4: Promoted (4th) 1964–5

Anyone agree or disagree? I'll make the change shortly if no-one disagrees. Dave.Dunford 14:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

No feedback so change made as promised. Dave.Dunford 08:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Honours have now been listed differently, pre- and post-Premiership. (I'm not sure it's any clearer, but it's more accurate.) Thus the above query is no longer relevant. Dave.Dunford 13:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)