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[edit] Beatles trivia on the chopping block
Dear Beatles editors, I have just seen a header that “The Beatles trivia“ is being considered for deletion. I would like you to take a look at it and vote to keep, or delete. The consensus will win the day, as they say…. I will not vote, as I have been personally involved in the construction of the page. andreasegde 01:46, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Gallery
Oh ta very much! That's the effect I love about it. Cheers. What's this about Please Please Me though? Is it not up to scratch? (BTW I'm sure the song is about oral sex - possible 69ing)--Crestville 18:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- But "please please me like I please you" sounds like a plea to a love to just fucking get it right for once! I'll take a look at the page tommorrow.--Crestville 21:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I Saw Her Standing There...
...should be the very first words in the article. You deleted the "intro" portion of the article and substituted your detailed rewrite, which could or should be the second paragraph. It's like you're jumping into the middle of it. Wahkeenah 21:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Aim to Please
I don't think you're wasting your time at all. However, you arewcorrect in saying a lot of info on the album page is actually more detailed than the info on the song page, so what I would suggest is incorperate the material on the album page on the song page and leave a condensed version on the album page. However, I would not reccomend simply restoring the article to how it was before you're edits as the song summeries were not very good.
Me only real critisism is be careful not to be too POV. We all love The Beatles, but, so as not to upset the minority of weirdos who don't, we can't put stuff like "Nothing was ever going be the same again, but we just had to wait a little longer……". It's not really befitting of an encyclopedia article.
Also, I'm not sure how much of the article you wrote, but it is badly sourced. I removed the bit which said "And the fact that it had been written by two members of the group meant that it broke the mould" because their is no source or referance to prove that this is true. In addition, I have also placed several citation requests next to less outlandish unsourced statements such as ""Ask Me Why" was mainly a John Lennon composition and was written in early 1962". Presumably you read this somewhere, so all you need to do is find the source and provide the book name/internet site, authour, date and page number in referance brackets - like this: [1] - and a footnote will appear in the notes section which I have set up. It shouldn't be hard seeing as you have clearly researched the topic well, it's just a matter of finding the sources! If you need any help with that just give me a shout.--Crestville 10:45, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Eddie McCreadie
Hi. That's a great story about Eddie. I've never add the pleasure of meeting him myself, though I've met a few of his team mates before. I'm not sure if they ever trained at the Bridge, but the sessions were definitely a lot less formal. Ossie, Hudson et al used to join the fans for a beer afterwards! Well a lot of them were fans themselves, born within spitting distance of the Bridge. As for JT, well I'm sure if you got past the electric gates and the security guards, he'd be happy to let you in. Nostalgia just ain't what it used to be, eh? SteveO 21:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Thanks
I just read The Beatles by Bob Spitz, and I thought I'd put some of the interesting song-related info into the various articles. Nareek 17:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] You Can't Do That
The one thing I would say is that these articles should always note the Lennon/McCartney byline as the official credit, even though one or the other may have done the lion's share of the writing. Nareek 16:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Re: removal of MacDonald ref in Credits section. I don't see how it conflicts. On page 83 (I mistakenly put 95 before), he says that both Lennon and Harrison play lead guitar, which does not preclude a solo by Lennon and lead guitar throughout by Harrison. He also is the source of the other instrumentation and for those reasons I believe the citation should be restored. John Cardinal 19:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Humour (Ouch!)
Nice one—the generation gap can always be bridged with a spot of daft humour. DVDs? There are lots out there; no idea which one to recommend. Try these: Monty Python, Four Yorkshiremenand The argument sketch. andreasegde 11:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I forgot these: The Parrot Sketch - SPAM. andreasegde 11:24, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Ah, that's it. These are good! Cheers.--Patthedog 11:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ask Me Why
I changed "definite" to "crisp". I don't agree that the sentence is now meaningless, but I don't really like "crisp" either. Is there a better word than either of those two? I considered "abrupt" but that had a slightly-negative connotation that wasn't appropriate. Got any suggestions? John Cardinal 14:06, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
- "clear-cut" is fine with me. If I come across a precise musical term for it I'll let you know and we can decide if that's better or not. Thanks. John Cardinal 15:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] You Can't Do That
I like the additions/changes to "You Can't Do That", but they should be sourced. John Cardinal 03:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- For the specific musical comments (flattened 3rd (F) on the D7th chord), you could cite "The Complete Scores" if that supports your assertion. I think the challenge will be finding sources (other than that one) that will be mostly accurate. All the fakebooks and similar will be wrong more than they're right. In this area, I'm less concerned about sources than compared to #2.
- The qualitative assessments ("unexpected twist") and historical events ("Dick Lester urgently needed the Beatles to provide him with new material") really needs citations: otherwise, it's just conjecture or fancruft. I realize that some of that was there before you began editing the article, but given you added things like "urgently" to the Dick Lester sentence, you probably read about the incident and should cite that source.
Please don't take this the wrong way. This isn't about disagreeing with what you've added. I've been trying to edit songs that do not cite their sources and add references so that the articles will meet encyclopedic standards (the greatest band in pop history should have the best Wikipedia articles) and when uncited stuff gets added, it just adds work to do later. You are not alone in not adding sources, but your edits have been higher quality and more frequent than some other people who pop in and add trivia. I hoped a nudge in the citation direction might persuade you to add them in general, and my comment on 17 March above was intended to do that and was not about contesting any particular edit. I hope I made myself clear, I certainly went on long enough! Oh, and I laughed at your "I Can't Do That" entry on my page. as they say in Japanese martial arts films, "good one!" John Cardinal 12:43, 17 March 2007 (UTC)