Talk:Pi Kappa Phi
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"The original Pi Kappa Phi newsletter was titled The Pi Kappa Phi Fraternity Journal. The title was changed to The Star and Lamp, which is currently an award-winning quarterly journal."
Is it really award winning? Iheartwiki19
- Good question. I'm not sure that I recall, but if it can't be verified then it does seem a bit POV. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 12:39, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
- I removed it for now.. Iheartwiki19 12:01, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Note from Timlee
I added in "Adrian Heideman's Death" and "Hazing" section per Ilovewiki19's comments. Please edit and revise this section as you see fit. Timlee 20:06, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Timlee, thanks for your note on the Talk page. However, please do not remove other discussion from the Talk page, but please do feel free to add your discussion to the Talk page under a new heading by using the small plus sign tab next to the "edit this page" button on Talk pages. Best regards, Ëvilphoenix Burn! 04:43, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Don't remove Heideman section
Don't remove the Adrian Heideman or other sections without discussing that here first. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 16:19, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
- My apologies. I posted on Timlee's page but forgot to post here. This is what I said.
- Timlee, you disagreed with my comments. Why are you referring to them as fact now? I added the Berkeley incident as a link. The relevance of Kenny Luong's death is especially important because of how recently it happened. No one (thank goodness) died at Gamma chapter. The Chico State incident was monumental and terrible. Pi Kappa Phi nationals addressed this tragedy immediately, suspended the chapter's charter, and still addresses it today. The national's website has the Chico tape on it. [1]. -Iheartwiki19 10:18, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
- The links are still present on the page. This helps the "flow" of a page as you cited and neither incident was extremely remarkable in the Greek community. Death by alcohol is sadly somewhat common, and so are some hazing incidents. Death by hazing is uncommon, however. -Iheartwiki19 10:21, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
- Well, considering that you have made a point on insisting that information that portrays a fraternity in a negative light be added to Lambda Phi Epsilon, it seems a little unfair that you would remove similar information from the article about your (and my own) fraternity. While the editor who added the information may have had an agenda going on, the information is still valid. As an alumnus of Pi Kappa Phi, and therefore somewhat inherently biased towards the fraternity, I feel uncomfortable allowing the material to be removed, as it is fairly NPOV and is well cited. I would feel there needs to be a greater consensus from other editors to remove the section before it could be removed. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 18:48, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
- All (especially Evilphoenix and Iheartwiki19)... it is untruthful for me to say that I did not add the sections without an agenda. It was specifically out of frustration at Iheartwiki19's inexplicable one sided actions by adding sections that defamed my fraternity. I have long known about the incidents I have added to the Pi Kappa Phi page but refrained from adding them in because I did not have any first hand experience with them, therefore I did not feel qualified to make the edits. Thus, I edited the Lambda Phi Epsilon page to fit the format in which Pi Kappa Phi addressed similar issues. However, when it became evident to me that Iheartwiki19 was not relenting his personal war with Lambda Phi Epsilon (yes I realize that I'm making an assumption here, but it needs to be stated) in the interest of fairness, I decided that the same issues needed to be addressed here as well. I do not believe this is fair on my part. I do believe it is neither ethical or constructive to go on another fraternity/sorority/organization/individual's Wiki page to try to edit something I have no first-hand information about against community agreement. This was the only way (it seems) that I could open Iheartwiki19's eyes to this fact. To me, it seems that the Pi Kappa Phi wiki community has chosen to address their issues via external links, which seems fair to me. I'm making a show of good faith by reverting my edits. Please think this over and consider letting community concensus prevail on Lambda Phi Epsilon's Wiki page as well. As a final note, all of these incidents are tragic events, whether there was a death involved or not. I find it even more tragic and petty that both Iheartwiki19 and most recently I have been exploiting them for a personal agenda. Sorry it had to come to this. -Timlee 23:10, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
- Well, regardless of your intended agenda or not, the information is true, and I think the question that we have to ask about both articles is: does including the information make the article more complete, more accurate, and more encyclopedic? Anyone involved with Pi Kappa Phi knows about Adrian Heideman, and I don't think it's a poor idea to discuss that event, and also discuss the National's response to the event. As far as first hand experience, I don't have a huge amount of it either, being as Chico State is across the country from me. Besides, first hand experience is not a requirement for adding content to the wiki: one of our guiding policies is that of No Original Research, so first hand experience by itself won't neccessarily qualify as information to be added to the encyclopedia (but it might help you spot factual errors in other soures of information added, for example). Personally, I think it's worth having a discussion of those issues in both fraternities articles, and any other fraternity articles as well. That doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way to go out and dig up dirt on, Sigma Chi, for example, but if someone makes a factual, referenced, NPOV contribution to the encyclopedia, it should stay in unless there's a strong reason not to have that information. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 01:15, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- All (especially Evilphoenix and Iheartwiki19)... it is untruthful for me to say that I did not add the sections without an agenda. It was specifically out of frustration at Iheartwiki19's inexplicable one sided actions by adding sections that defamed my fraternity. I have long known about the incidents I have added to the Pi Kappa Phi page but refrained from adding them in because I did not have any first hand experience with them, therefore I did not feel qualified to make the edits. Thus, I edited the Lambda Phi Epsilon page to fit the format in which Pi Kappa Phi addressed similar issues. However, when it became evident to me that Iheartwiki19 was not relenting his personal war with Lambda Phi Epsilon (yes I realize that I'm making an assumption here, but it needs to be stated) in the interest of fairness, I decided that the same issues needed to be addressed here as well. I do not believe this is fair on my part. I do believe it is neither ethical or constructive to go on another fraternity/sorority/organization/individual's Wiki page to try to edit something I have no first-hand information about against community agreement. This was the only way (it seems) that I could open Iheartwiki19's eyes to this fact. To me, it seems that the Pi Kappa Phi wiki community has chosen to address their issues via external links, which seems fair to me. I'm making a show of good faith by reverting my edits. Please think this over and consider letting community concensus prevail on Lambda Phi Epsilon's Wiki page as well. As a final note, all of these incidents are tragic events, whether there was a death involved or not. I find it even more tragic and petty that both Iheartwiki19 and most recently I have been exploiting them for a personal agenda. Sorry it had to come to this. -Timlee 23:10, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
- Iheartwiki19, you might also consider adding the information you just mentioned (the response to the incident by National, and that National continues to address the incident (which is true, I saw several videos about that incident while still an active, it was definitely something National made a point of discussing)) to the section itself. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 18:50, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
- Well, considering that you have made a point on insisting that information that portrays a fraternity in a negative light be added to Lambda Phi Epsilon, it seems a little unfair that you would remove similar information from the article about your (and my own) fraternity. While the editor who added the information may have had an agenda going on, the information is still valid. As an alumnus of Pi Kappa Phi, and therefore somewhat inherently biased towards the fraternity, I feel uncomfortable allowing the material to be removed, as it is fairly NPOV and is well cited. I would feel there needs to be a greater consensus from other editors to remove the section before it could be removed. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 18:48, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Legal Issues Edit
I moved the Adrian Heideman/Chico State and Berkeley hazing incident sections into their own section, included some more relevant information of these incidents and the national fraternity's response/involvement with them. This is important because these events were in no way the result of condoned actions by the national organization. Please respond here if doing any major edits. I removed one of the Cal State Chico's newspaper (The Orion) references because I found discrepancies in its information from other things. I've seen Chico's newspaper and it's not that well-written. Iheartwiki19 06:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
- Looks good. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 18:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
A small question for whoever administers this page. Why is the Gamma Chapter "incident" in the "legal" section? Since no charges in this matter were ever filed with any law enforcement agency, since no arrests occurred, since no judgement was ever issued by a court of law, I am wondering what the heck it is doing in the "legal" section. Also since no legal record exists of what actually transpired, isn't it inaccurate to portray what happened based solely on non-sworn information? Please explain why this is here and if you plan to list in this section every chapter that ever goes on any sort of university probation absent involvement by legal agencies.
[edit] Grammar and Spelling
Perhaps the brothers who made this page should have paid more attention in class.
Petty. It amazes me how people get so pissed off about trivial stuff. What? Nothing else to complain about? --† Ðy§ep§ion † Speak your mind 04:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Notable Alumni Vandalism
I have reverted to revision 65823691 by Merope, removing several silly notable alumni, including a 'Hat Integrity Tester' and and 'All Male Adult Film Star.' Most of the linked names did not correspond to articles, and the two that did were not the people mentioned in the list. All 'notable' alumni added were from Gamma Iota chapter, Louisiana State University. Non-vandal changes made during and since the run of vandalism have been saved. The two vandals were 204.196.254.33 and 137.30.102.84. Both IPs are from the Louisiana area. --J Morgan(talk) 14:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reason for removing Alpha Delta incident
For one, this is hardly a legal incident. The family and Pi Kappa Phi eventually settled out of court but no wrongdoing was acknowledged [2]. Furthermore, we can't stick in every freak accident that has happened to a member of Pi Kappa Phi. Should we start doing the same to any individual that comes under harm at a university? Why isn't this posted under the University of Washington page? Isn't UW as responsible as Pi Kappa Phi for this incident? I don't even think the Gamma event should be listed. The only reason it's relevant is because of timeliness and making national news. I'm sure there are events all over the US like this that don't make it into wikipedia articles. Iheartwiki19 06:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
