Talk:Piaggio P180 Avanti
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I'm slowly adding things to this page, partly based on my recollection from working on the project in 1980-81 Jim Hammer 23:52, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Canard
I think the term 'canard' is misused here. The canard configuration is where the horizontal stabiliser and pitch control surfaces are placed ahead of the wing. In this aircraft, the horizontal stabiliser is located behind the wing, and there is a foreplane at the nose of the aircraft. The pitch control surfaces (elevators) are still located on the horizontal stabiliser. The foreplane doesn't have any control surfaces (although it does have flaps). I believe a more accurate desciption of the configuration would be a 'tandem triplane'. Nick Moss 23:44, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
- I'm revisiting this issue because, according to the article [[Canard {aeronautics)]], "The term canard has also come to mean any horizontal airfoil mounted in front of the main wing." Dictionary.com has, as one of the definitions, "Also called canard wing. one of two small lifting wings located in front of the main wings." This [patent for a tiltrotor lists fixed canards. The X-50 is described here as having a "fixed canard". The Kfir C2 is described here is described as having fixed canards. Seems like there is wide-spread usage of the term for fixed surfaces. There are more, but I'll stop with these. Unless someone comes up with a definitive source that says a canard has to have control surfaces, I plan on revision this article. Akradecki 04:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- As I understand it, even if it is not a forward control surface, if something is a forward lift-producing surface it is considered a canard. The configuration allows the forward surface (canard) to stall prior to the main wing, creating a condition where the aircraft itself will never truly stall. Control surfaces have little (or nothing at all!) to do with this. ericg ✈ 05:37, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
