Talk:Pitch Black (film)

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this whole article (and the one at The Chronicles of Riddick) seems too long winded and detailed. do we really need to know every single thing down to crew man number two's shoe size? plus, some of the data seems opinionated. the ecclipse (not sunfall) for instance, is of an unspecified length, not "months long" as described in the article. or this line: "in a final show of Riddick's true nature" - what exactly is this suppposed to mean? the article needs shortening. keep it short and sweet, with nothing beyond the relevant data, please. 213.172.234.234 03:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

You are welcome to clean it up. Some of it surely could be cleaned up but it seems of appropriate length. If you want the ultra-condensed version then I suppose read the back cover of the DVD <?> Cburnett 03:59, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Just what exactly is the 'relevant data'? Wikipedia isn't paper, so we don't need to keep it short. One could argue that a transcript of the entire film might be 'relevant data' (except for copyright issues, and perhaps Wikiquote might be better suited for that). Ppe42 13:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Who stabbed Fry? 2 Portrayal of Muslims 3 Name 4 Move Back? 5 Grue label?

[edit] Who stabbed Fry?

I was under the impression that the creature stabbed Fry with it's wrist thing, not Riddick. Cburnett 03:51, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Fry says, "I said I'd die for them, not you." She gets impaled by the creature, dramatic pause, Fry is carried away, Riddick falls, Riddick says, "Not for me...", meaning Fry should not have sacrificed herself for him. Riddick somehow feels he is not worthy of such a gift. It's the first time he shows weakness, too. Previously, he had shown a fascination toward Fry's newfound heroism. From this experience, Riddick has changed. He states at the end, "[Riddick] died somewhere on that planet." NorrYtt 22:02, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portrayal of Muslims

deleted text from main article: "Also novel was the film's portrayal of Muslim characters, which contrasts heavily with the typical negative representations of Muslims in American productions."

Could someone substantiate this claim, that fair treatment of Muslims constitutes a heavy contrast with contemporary American film making? Seems to me that Hollywood goes out of its way to patronize Muslims, with movies like "Sum of All Fears" replacing Islamic Terrorists with Nazis. Please don't say "Team America." That's a satire of Hollywood, among other topics. Hence the appearance of Sarandon, Penn, Baldwin, Film Actor's Guild, etc.

If I recall the film's website correctly, the imam and three boys are "Chrislam" pilgrims. 69.136.238.165 12:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I think what's so original is that they're not portrayed heavily one way or the other. It avoids the huge surge of Anti-Islam sentiment which can be found it plenty of movies, but it also avoids the huge surge of Super-Islam sentiment which is found in plenty of other movies (Yes, I just used the term "Super-Islam"). The Muslims aren't evil fanatics bent on killing or dying for their demonic religion, but neither are they completely perfect adherents to a faith which is the greatest gift to humanity ever. They're not inherently good or inherently bad, just simple normal people, which is a bizarre portrayal of Muslims in todays day and age. JBK405 01:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Hasn't the name now been changed to "The Chronicles of Riddick: Pitch Black" ? 71.250.17.62 12:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

That's what Universal calls it now, so it is really the official name I guess. Suggest move to The Chronicals of Riddick: Pitch Black with redirects. Tom walker 08:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move Back?

can this be moved back to Pitch Black which is now just a redirect to the disambig page? Insist it persists 00:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Not when ambiguity exists with the band and the soft drink. The film does not have any primary claim to the name. --Piet Delport 15:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grue label?

I was under the impression that calling the critters Grue was just speculation based on their affinity for darkness. Someone have a reference for the claim the co-writer made? -MalkavianX 01:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm a little surprised no one's mentioned the Grues of Zork.--Vercalos 04:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I watched this movie on TV tonight, and the closed-captioning called the creatures "raptors". --The Invisible Hand 07:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)