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The inclusion of "football team" under secondary pride does not seem very wikipedia-like to me for some reason. Neutronium 23:27, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

can this page b made into a disambiguation page?--61.195.58.8 03:46, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

In everyday language, the word "proud" has a spectrum of connotations, from negative to positive, depending on its semantic context. In the one extreme it can reflect self-centredness or hubris (a Christian cardinal sin), while on the other extreme it can be used to express altruistic thankfullness (a Christian virtue). Somewhere inbetween is the state of moderate & justifiable self-respect. It can therefore be less ambigous to use alternative words such as "conceited" or "thankfull" as appropriate.

English (by way of Attic Greek) also distinguishes between two senses with the terms pride and hubris, no?

More accurately, "in order for modern English to distinguish between two senses— with the loss of vainglory— it must borrow from Greek hubris." Improve it and work the idea into the entry. --Wetman 13:19, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Should this be moved to spiritual pride, since that is what the article is about? --NoPetrol 03:16, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Surely "spiritual pride" would make a better subsection here and be enriched by the context. If you can make it a report on what "spiritual pride" has meant (quotes always help), and not an essay or a sermon, then give it a go! --Wetman 03:24, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to remove the following: 'In this sense, "pride" is among the most-quoted themes of political and societal discourse of English-speaking nations, especially of the United States. This stands in some contrast to that nation's general image of itself as a mostly Christian society.' as opinions regarding the US aren't really relevant to the definition of the word "pride". Please chime in if you disagree. Darfsnuzal 05:28, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

I have removed the reference to the US and updated the reference to gay pride. If I search google for the term "pride," over 60% of the results on the first three pages refer to some version of gay pride.Darfsnuzal 05:17, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Arrogance redirects here. IMAO, arrogance and pride are quite distinct from one another. Now what? Aarnepolkusin 10:24, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

If Arrogance redirects here, then there should be a good paragraph hin this article clearly distinguishing between the two. --Wetman 20:10, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Arrogance is a symptom and result of pride. A dictionary would list them separately, but an encyclopedia would only have one entry. For instance, if you were arrogant about your geographic location, you might have a bumper sticker that says "The Power of Pride" with a flag of your country. That way, anyone from a different geographic location would know that you think you're better than them. *Peace Inside 17:45, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I was looking for an article on arrogance as well, while i agree that they are related i think that arrogance should at least have a paragraph in this article instead of being redirected here then ignored by the article. --85.12.65.33 09:03, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

yep, I have exactly the same question, who was the arrogant editor that thought arrogance should redirect to pride? it's not only very thinly connected (sure, "extreme pride" but still thinly connected) but also a very broad subject that has made empires rise and fall on its name throught history --161.76.99.106 13:52, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

We await your distinction of "arrogance" from "pride", perhaps with some pithy quotes. A definite need in the article. --Wetman 01:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Arrogance is also a symptom and result of being open to learning. For example, an arrogant student is one who receives a failing grade on a test but refuses to accept the answer key as correct.

Since the only logical argument about this is "an encyclopedia can't have a definition of arrogance since it's the result of extreme pride", then it is only logical to remove any encyclopedia articles that refer to the results of extreme nationalism since they're "just" a result of extreme nationalism. Many historical people were characterized as "arrogant" and it wouldn't hurt to have a page that redirects to something else than good old pride. --161.76.99.106 11:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

How can Wikipedia be "the free encyclopedia" if it feels forced to pay honor to the Muslim prophet? Why say "peace be upon him"? Especially since he was not peaceful.

Religious arguments aside, I think "pride" often has good connotations while "arrogance" is more negative. Of course, these concepts are distinct in a variety of other significant ways, and the profusion of comments already on the issue makes it clear that arrogance deserves its own article. Christophernandez 18:52, 10 April 2006 (UTC).

[edit] French

"Some languages distinguish between the two senses of pride; in French, self-respect is fierté and vanity is orgueuil."

"Fierté" is "Pride" and self-respect is "respect de sois-même", but pride (or fierté) can mean self-respect "Don't you have any pride?". "Vanity" is "Vanité". "Orgueuil" is similar to being bull-headed, obstinate. Someone with "de l'orgueuil" will not admit he is even if deep down he knows it.

Since the sentence is simply wrong, I will remove it. --A Sunshade Lust 23:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)