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[edit] Protest Warrior forums down for an indefinite period

The boards just went down about five minutes ago, replaced with a message saying that they will be down until "further notice." Just thought I'd toss that out there; I've no idea how long that'll last. Rogue 9 16:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I added it in the section of the article dealing with the website. We don't need one o' them there "current events" templates, do we? Lawyer2b 19:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

That sounds long term. --James Bond 21:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I saw that too. Maybe all the banned trolls who they let back in like English Cowpie, TCRAP and REV. PhelpsJr broke it with their incessant spam! I seem to remember a backup forum. URL? NBGPWS 01:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

There's no official backup forum. There is the HQ forum, but that can't be read by people who aren't registered. A few of the chapters also have their own forums. Rogue 9 13:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

But I just got addicted. 207.216.29.201 05:22, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Neocons, try to behave yourself. Ruthfulbarbarity 13:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

"Friday, September 15, 2006
Protest Warrior Forums Nuked

Well, it finally happened. The owners of Protest Warrior have nuked the forums. Rumor has it they (the forums) were a "waste of band width" and had become " an embarrassment to the organization."

The PW site is still up, but for all intents and purposes, the organization is dead. There were something like 14000 registered members on PW. 14000 people looking for an outlet for their anger, their energy, their ideas, and their American pride. It will take some doing, but I'm sure one of my intrepid friends will start up another site, another movement. And I, for one, will be signing up and jumping in with both feet. Bring on the fight!!"

A claim of 14,000 'members' LOL ! Anyone who claims the number of total registrations on any intraweb forum equals active members is deranged. I probably accounted for 100 registrations! LOL ! Ruthbar, I encouraged you to take over before PW collapsed ! Now its too late. We'll have to make some MAJOR changes to the article now. I'll go easy on you PW's for a while, as I know your lives are shattered. NBGPWS 20:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

"I probably accounted for 100 registrations."

Yes, prolific trolls usually do register under many sock puppet accounts.

Thank you for illustrating the obvious.

Ruthfulbarbarity 23:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you guys can have a mock funeral for PW as your next PW event! LOL! I think it might be time to renominate the article for deletion! You had your chance to save PW, Ruthbar! You piked! LOL! NBGPWS 23:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Most of the regulars have moved elsewhere (and no, I'm not telling you where), and in the meantime, Protest Warrior as an organization is still there. Alan and Kfir have publicly said nothing about the forums being down; I don't know where you got that, but unless that person has information I don't (unlikely), then he doesn't know either. Rogue 9 14:53, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

And now that NBG has been blocked, maybe we can get something done. Rogue 9 14:32, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Back from my one week ban! What DID you PW's get done? The only thing I can tell is that a PW or one of your supporters were back to their usual tactics - and changed the article and the number of PW's at a protest from 13 (documented by WAPO) to 50! (Luckily Kuzaar caught this blatant attempt by a PW or PW supporter to inject lies into the article, and grossly exaggerate PW's support!) Some things never change do they? NBGPWS 10:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Your bans are piling up, ours aren't. What's that say? P.S. Prove it was a PW. --Neverborn 19:25, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

It says I care more about spreading the truth than being polite. By the way, I said "PW or PW supporter". Why did Keifer and Allen pull the plug on PW? Keifer was asked to come here weeks ago to attest that he and Alan were still 'leading' PW, and that PW was actually still operating, but he refused. Why's that? Too busy? It wouldn't take him more than a few minutes! Why didn't he even post a message before he pulled the plug on PW? The Command and Control Forum said "The command and control center is where we plan and coordinate our nationwide strike against the Left" With that forum gone, and Keifer and Allen's refusal to address these issues, I think we can safely assume PW is definately no longer operating under their 'leadership', and maybe not operating at all, can't we?NBGPWS 21:02, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

"It says I care more about spreading the truth than being polite."

I suggest that you read this, if you haven't already, or reread it if you have already done so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Ruthfulbarbarity 05:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

You obviously need to read it too.

"By the way, the correct spelling is "germane," you hyperactive, dim chimpanzee."'Ruthfulbarbarity 18:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Why haven't PW's 'leaders' come here, as requested, to attest that they're still 'in business'?

NBGPWS 06:21, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

It's not any concern of yours, trust me.

I suggest that you remain civil-or at least make the attempt-before you receive your fifth (sixth?) block.

Consider it a word of (helpful) advice. Ruthfulbarbarity 06:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, if you want to probe the thoughts of Alan and Kfir-and you seem to be the only person here fixated on this subject-then I suggest you send them an e-mail.

Otherwise, I'd appreciate it if you don't repeat the same question ad nauseam, to no avail.

It's utterly pointless. Ruthfulbarbarity 06:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

The comments about Kfir and Alan on the PW 'refugee' board show that a great many people are 'fixated' on their (in)actions and whereabouts. They were contacted several times, requesting that they show up here, and a Wiki Mod also requested that Kfir affirm or deny his 'abortion comments'. By his inaction, it's apparent that he just doesn't care. NBGPWS 07:06, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Ruthfulbarbarity, why is there no explanation from Kfir and Alan on the PW site (or anywhere else) as to why they pulled the plug on the forums - the essential place where PW's 'activities' are planned? You seem to be in touch with them via email. Don't you know? NBGPWS 08:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not in touch with any subject of this article through e-mail, and I would suggest that you not try to contact me by e-mail either.

The statement posted on the PW forums page is self-explanatory. Ruthfulbarbarity 08:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

You've repeatedly claimed that Kfir and Alan respond when contacted about PW issues, even though I posted the verbatim comments from a long-time PW in good standing who emailed them numerous times about counter-protest issues, and never got a response. They never responded to requests to show up here either. They also never explained why they pulled the forums - forums essential to the counter-protest 'operations' of PW. Since your claim that they're 'responsive' totally contradicts all evidence, one might reasonably assume that you're in email contact with them.

Rest assured - your fears that I might email you - about PW, or anything else - are totally unfounded. NBGPWS 20:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

The forums are not "essential" to anything that takes place at an organizational level.

Every single operation-and there are several ongoing operations-are coordinated outside of the PW forum.

The only person who seems to be operating under the misconception that they are vital to Protest Warrior is you. Ruthfulbarbarity 22:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't contradict any evidence, since you've presented absolutely no evidence that you've ever contacted either Alan or Kfir, or that you have any intention of doing so.

I'd appreciate it if you just abandon this straw-man argument, since it seems that you are more concerned with creating acrimony-and debating peripheral, if not utterly meaningless, subjects, which have absolutely nothing to do with the article in question-then actually contributing positively to this discussion. Ruthfulbarbarity 22:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

You think I'm going to post the emails I sent to Alan and Kfir for your edification? LOL! Here's proof they ignored a PW with issues relating to PW: "I was a member of the Phila chap before the hack and protested in Phila when the anti-war nuts were here. But for some reason Mr. Kfir has some sort of bug up his ass and will not let me rejoin or even give me an answer. My activation or pleas for it go unanswered. Never done anything to him or had words with anyone???? I love what PW does and am going to be apart of it anyway."USA_FIRST"

The byline for Command and Control Forum (NOW CLOSED) boasted "The command and control center is where we plan and coordinate our nationwide strike against the Left" 'nationwide strike', no longer. NBGPWS 23:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Protest Warrior Headquarters.

Why do you think it is referred to as "headquarters?"

Just curious. Ruthfulbarbarity 23:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

How could you post e-mails that I believe possibly don't exist? Ruthfulbarbarity 23:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC) (accusatory comment edited by NBGPWS in accordance with WP) WP

The emails I sent don't exist? LOL! I suggest you be more careful of accusing me of being a liar on these pages. I will find the relevent WP for your education. see No explanation for Kfir's refusal to help the PW quoted above I see. It seems he wanted to rejoin this mythical 'headquarters' you talk about. They didn't even bother to respond.NBGPWS 23:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I would also appreciate it if you quit trying to provoke me, Ruthfulbarbarity. One need only look at your recent and frequent unwanted commentary to my talk page (removed in accordance with WP) to see the proof of your actions. NBGPWS 23:54, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

To the best of my recollection this is the first time you have ever implied that you attempted to contact either of the administrators at the Protest Warrior forums.

Insofar as there is no evidence that you have tried to contact them-beyond your latest assertion-I don't see why I should assume that this is common knowledge.

Even if you did attempt to contact them-and thus far you've provided no evidence whatsoever to demonstrate that you have-I don't see what relevance it has to this discussion. Ruthfulbarbarity 00:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

The only person who is attempting any sort of provocation on this page is you. The same person who has been blocked from editing this page on six separate occasion, lest I remind you.

All I've done is attempt to steer this discussion back to some sort of relevancy and connection to the article in question. Ruthfulbarbarity 00:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

The fact that you inflate the number of times I've been blocked from the actual number of 4 to 6 says all anyone needs to know about your relationship with the truth. Enough chitter chatter. Back to work. NBGPWS 02:25, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

You've been blocked five times-thus far-which is what I stated, although I began to lose track at some point. Hence, the question mark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NBGPWS/Archive_1

Don't worry though, I'm sure that will change in the future, based upon your recent behavior. Ruthfulbarbarity 18:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

4 times, and once was for only 8 hours. Your claim is about as genuine as the one that you're trying to steer this discussion back to the article NBGPWS 18:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

The person who's steered us onto this tangent in the first place is you.

And it was 5 times, although some of the blocks were of a shorter duration than others.

If you want to discuss the article, then there is nothing preventing you from doing so, other than your inclination to dwell on irrelevant tangents and material that bears no relation to the article in question. Ruthfulbarbarity 19:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

It was 4 times NBGPWS 20:57, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Archive

I think it's time we archived this section, which has become quite lengthy. Ruthfulbarbarity 19:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

There's no reason to start a new section to discuss this, just do it. NBGPWS 20:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

What did you do to the archives?

I'm being directed to a blank page whenever I try to open up what should be an archival discussion of this article. Ruthfulbarbarity 05:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protest Warrior still in operation?

PW was supposed to take part in a rally last weekend.

CNS

News reports and Free Republic make no mention that any Protest Warriors actually showed up. They mention all the other groups which said they would take part, but not Protest Warrior. Is this because, yet again, Protest Warrior failed to attend one of their own 'operations' due to lack of support?

Free Republic

Wash Times

Where ARE the after-action reports and pictures from the Protest Warriors - of this event that they were supposed to take part in?

When WAS the last PW 'operation' as documented on the Protest Warrior website?

NBGPWS 21:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

The last major event Protest Warrior co-sponsored was a rally outside of the headquarters for the New York Times in midtown Manhattan, which took place earlier this Summer.

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2006/07/antitimes_rally.html

I have no idea whether it's listed on the PW website, but I would assume there's a description somewhere on PW HQ, which you probably can't access, seeing as how you are not actually a member of Protest Warrior. Ruthfulbarbarity 05:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)