Talk:Psychedelic crisis

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Changed psychotropic to hallucinogenic. I've never heard anyone use the expression Bad Trip without referring to a psychedelic trip. Also removed homocidal ideation since that's a pretty strong claim, and I doubt there's any evidence that it's common. 80.203.115.12 10:09, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• I don't mind those changes, but the term "bad trip" is certainly used to describe things other than hallucinogenic experiences. And of course one may become homicidal: one can reach far-flung reaches of psychotic processing where killing becomes an only option, for instance, or where one doesn't comprehend that the actions they are performing amount to killing. "Bad trip" might be used to describe such situations in an artwork, such as many drug-less stories by Kafka, movies by David Lynch, episodes from Aqua Teen Hunger Force, or Don Hertzfeldt's animations. --Tarnas 06:26, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Tarnas: What you are talking about are similes. When someone tells you "work is hell" they don't literally mean that fire and brimstone are under the desk. They mean it's bad LIKE hell. When they say "Blue Velvet, it's a bad trip man", they mean its LIKE a bad psychedelic experience.

Contents 1 valium anyone? 2 Misnomer 3 Marijuana bad trips 4 Depression/Sadness 5 Marijuana's effect on the trip

[edit] valium anyone?

I've also heard that benzodiazapines such as valium can take the edge off a bad trip. I've heard conflicting reports regarding antipsychotics207.157.121.50 08:09bb, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Antipsychotics will work for some hallucinogenic drugs (LSD, psilocybin) but not for others (PCP. Ketamine). I'll add it to the article.

[edit] Misnomer

I suggest renaming this article Difficult trip since the concept of "bad trip" has more do to with ignorance of the tripper and inappropriate expectations of the trip experience that with some self-existent category of psychedelic experience. Haiduc 15:50, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marijuana bad trips

Anybody can cite that? IMO marijuana bad trip can occur with a heavy overdose... marijuana can have hallucinogenic effects actually... --ha-core 07:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I would also agree that in high doses marijuana is clearly hallucinogenic and can cause bad trips. The Effects of Cannabis section appears to be entirely POV. --Pappa 10:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, reading over the section again, I think it really should be removed altogether. The remarks are uncited POV which seem to be based on the mistaken assumption that cannabis is not hallucinogenic. Thoughts? --Pappa 11:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Removing is usually a bad idea, editing may be more appropriate. Haiduc 11:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Depression/Sadness

I'm a psychologist-to-be (still in grad school) but one of the first-day, only-idiots-say-this things they drill into your head is the distinction between depression and sadness: depression is a medical condition, a symptom of which is sadness. Depression has a specific set of criteria, the main one of which is it must be prolonged. People who are bummed out, who say "I'm depressed" are an example of a common mixup of the two terms.. Thus, to say that a symptom of a bad trip is depression is simply wrong. I know this might sound nitpicky to people outside of psychology or the medical field, but it is one of those things that bug me. Youaredj

Your argument makes sense, but evidently depression within itself is it's own state (and can last long or short), as opposed to clinical depression (which I believe is what you are referring to). So I suppose it would be incorrect to rename the symptom to sadness. angular (discuss·contribs) 04:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marijuana's effect on the trip

"marijuana should not be used while under the influence of a hallucinogen especially at difficult moments, since instead of calming, it is likely to exacerbate confusion, panic and paranoia."

I don't know how true this is. Experienced cannabis users (such as myself) usually never get anxiety during smoking; It's usually just calming and relaxing. So, I think that if you don't get anxiety from it, it would only help keep the trip relaxing as well and keep you in a good mood (This is what I've always heard). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.232.78.236 (talk) 05:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

-because even for people who don't experience paranoia when smoking normally, it can precipitate bad (or even worse, if used as a means to attempt to calm a "bad trip") experiences during a trip. It's a tossup, and on a page like this it seems to be a good idea to make the suggestion against more drug use to attempt to steady an already bad experience from using drugs. Personally I think its a better idea to not try smoking as a means of calming a bad trip because I feel that a bad trip will teach you much more than any regular trip, and adding more substances as a means to calm down is unnecessary - work through your problems. As to the effects on a trip in general, I've heard that it can make things feel more speedy, contributing to the disorientation of a trip (which may or may not be a good thing). I dunno, I've not done both at the same time.