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Contents 1 New Photo 2 Cooking style 3 Not Really 30 Minutes 4 thoughts while watching her shows 5 The American Nigella Lawson 6 what happend to the criticisms section? 7 Uncalled for Attack on Food 8 Fan Sites 9 Too Many Loaded Words 10 Anthony Bourdain as Food Network "colleague" 11 Coneslayer's objection to ass addition 12 Is Rachael just gaining weight or is she pregnant???? 13 Image needed 14 Hubby's reference 15 Place of birth 16 Request deletion of link to article about nude pictures 17 EVOO in the dictonary

[edit] New Photo

I think the current main photo should be replaced, possible with the official photograph of her provided on her Food Network mini-site. The current one is simply too grainy, pixelated, and distored to pass as encyclopedia quality material.

Below is the link to the photograph I propose for use, under Fair Use terms: [1] --IndigoAK 09:36, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, since we can no longer use fair-use images of living people, I have updated the template. We need a free-use image. Can someone provide one? Daniel Case 05:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree about the negative fan reaction (see below.)

Did she actually appear in a magazine (Maxim, I think?) dressed sexily in the kitchen? Or were those fakes?

She did appear in FHM dressed as you describe. Mitchell k dwyer 08:02, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

She does not appear in the FHM sexiest women lists as contained at [2], [3], [4]; [5], and [6]. Unless a more accurate source such as the actual printing of the FHM lists can be found, the references to the Top Sexiest women lists should be removed. Another possibility: Could she have been in the European editions?

Her appearance in FHM seems to be confirmed from this media kit [7] available from her site, [8]. Still no confirmation on her appearance on the top sexiest list. - 03/24/2003

Man, she's really hot. Watching her show for the food is only half of it. ;) Rudykog 04:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Does anyone else suspect that either Rachael's grandfather's name or her brother's name is misspelled? They've got the same name, but the spellings are different. Can anyone verify? Mitchell k dwyer 08:02, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

—"Her mother is Sicilian; her father lives in Louisiana."— Nice use of the random-ass grab bag here. (Sixten8 22:47, 3 August 2005 (UTC))

Definitely need to add something about how her substitutions and shortcuts drive more orthodox chefs/cooks completely insane. JD79 01:22, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

""E.V.O.O... extra-virgin olive oil" explained with each use, defeating the apparent purpose of the acronym" ... LOL! I've always wondered why she says that and then explains it. --Quasipalm 02:57, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

She only says it the first time she uses it in a show, for those that have never watched/don't know. Usually she just says E.V.O.O. afterwards. Jutm543 02:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

'Now Ray owns a pit bull named Isaboo Ray said in an interview, "I do 200 sit-ups every day, and I do 100 pushups too. Man pushups."'

This sentence is a little confusing to me. Is that supposed to be one sentence, or has a period accidentally been left out? Am I missing something or should it read:

'Now Ray owns a pit bull named Isaboo. Ray said in an interview, "I do 200 sit-ups every day, and I do 100 pushups too. Man pushups."'

Thanks. - Square pear 20:29, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd love to see a section on the negative fan reaction that she's garnered. See http://community.livejournal.com/rachael_ray_sux/.

206.61.144.2 17:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I think the entry about her apartment and dog are irrelevant, invasive, and gossipy. Can we please remove this? Aaronproot

[edit] Cooking style

It says that her cooking style is "Italian;" I totally don't think that's right, but I don't know how you could really describe what she does. (Personally, I would say she makes stuff you can find on the back of jars of tomato sauce and calls them her own.)

How mature, personal attacks on the talk page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Magyar14 (talk • contribs) 22:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

You might describe it as home cooking or comfort food... Snoop0x7b 15:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not Really 30 Minutes

This was deleted earlier, but I'm storing it here until I can find the article.

"Ironically, a reporter for a newspaper went through one of her 30 minute meals books and was unable to complete any of her dishes in under an hour.^{[citation needed]}"

--Unfortunately, this is original research - but I've had no problems getting her recipes done within 20-40 minutes, depending on how picky I am with the prep. And I hate the chick. -----MD

The time would also depend on the skills of the cook and familiarity with the recipe. Prometheus^-X303- 02:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Her 30 minutes concept works. You don't even need to be good with a knif. I should know, I'm a kid and I did perfectly good with her recepies. I did diferent recipies for every week for two months now and I finished them all in no more then 25 minutes; and I'm only 12! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.37.235.197 (talk • contribs).

[edit] thoughts while watching her shows

Has anyone else noticed that when she takes a bite of any food (watch $40 a day in particular), she makes a weird face that sort of looks disgusted? Does anyone have any older pictures of her? I have a theory she might be anorexic... of course it's origional research so none of this will make the article but I was wondering if I'm alone in thinking this?? Kuronue 03:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow. IF she IS anorexic, she is in the wrong profession! Actually, I think the look is one of pleasure. PrometheusX303 12:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

You'd think so, but she scrunches up her face in a way that seems like she's trying too hard to look pleased. Pleasure tends to relax the face, not tense it up like that. Maybe she's just weird. Kuronue 02:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

******she would be one FAT anorexic if that were the case********** do you know how many tapings she must do....she cant possible eat the entire meal. geeze

Don't make rumors about Rachael Ray and there's no way she's "anorexic" or bulimiac (one who gains and loses and gains back weight in short duration of time by gagging or abuse of laxatives). To tell Ms. Ray has anorexia, she must be extremely thin or underweight, but insist on being fat or exhibits self-delusion on her body image. Not only anorexia and bulimia are eating disorders and physical illnesses, the cause is located in the human mind. + 63.3.14.2 02:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The American Nigella Lawson

I remember reading something years ago that Food Network developed her as an American Nigella Lawson when the latter was too expensive to bring to FTV. If anyone remembers anything about this, it might make an interesting addition. Aaronproot

• Are you sure that wasn't Giada de Laurentiis? Her show is clearly modeled on Nigella's [i.e. aristocratic glamourpuss, artsy photography, pornographic closeups of the ingredients]. Whereas the the only thing Rachael's show has in common with Nigella's is that they're both women standing in a kitchen. In either case, Nigella would be worth any price.Zaqwe 02:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

• • Rachael Ray is compared more to a younger Martha Stewart (home deco queen isn't only a good cook), and after Ms. Stewart's legal issues, more people want to idolize Ms. Ray for her "good girl image" and "very friendly personality". You can say Ms. Ray reminds us of another culinary star, Julia Child, whom paved the way for cooking television programs over 50 years ago. + 63.3.14.2 02:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] what happend to the criticisms section?

I really connected with the criticisms section where people acknowledged how unbelievably ridiculous it is that this woman has a show. Not only does her show start off with her doing most of the prep work, but I also think her use of nicknames are completely asinine! Maybe I just really dislike how a person with little culinary education can have a show and most of FTV viewers buy into it. But seriously, what are with those spastic expressions and horrible nicknames? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.113.157.176 (talk • contribs).

I don't even understand why there is a criticisms section. No other Food Network personality has one, yet this particular one is extremely long. Isn't that a little overboard? Wouldn't it be ok to have short mentions of her critics with links to an article or web page? It isn't an encyclopedia's place to weigh in heavily on one side or the other of someone's personal ability. Readers are presented with an overwhelming amount of criticism, but almost no praise. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kraffenetti (talk • contribs).

If other Food Network personalities receive the same amount of criticism, they should certainly have "Criticism" sections. We should include any important facts, positive or negative. If you feel her virtues have been neglected, you can add more facts. Just cutting things out is not the answer. DanielCristofani 23:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Then some criticism should be cited. The only story cited that has anything to do with criticism is a story that is favorable towards her. Otherwise, it just looks like people who don't personally like her show are bad mouthing her on her entry. I'm considering removing the entire section and splicing some random quotes throughout the article. The Tiger Woods article had a similar problem when his controversy section was overpowering the rest of the article, as was this section. Let's not lose sight of the fact that she's a media personality, and that's what an encyclopedia should reflect. Critics have their say in their own forums.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kraffenetti (talk • contribs).

If one of the other personalities on your network publicly calls you a "bobblehead", I think it's safe to say that criticism has become a meaningful fraction of your notability. So I've put in the Bourdain quote. On the other hand, the "Sux" site - whose amateurishness I found indistinguishable from any number of "Paris Hilton is so gross!" hate sites - doesn't seem to warrant anything more than an External Link mention, if that. Ribonucleic 19:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

So I've got a question. Bourdain's article also notes that he routinely criticizes Emeril. Therefore criticism must be a meaningful part of his persona, yet there is no criticism section on his page. This is what I was getting at. Before the section was essentially what you would have seen on the "sux" page. It has been cleaned up quite a bit and I think the Bourdain link belongs just fine (even if he is a hypocrit). Kraffenetti 21:15, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

You make a very good point. A slam from Bourdain, in itself, would not warrant a Criticism section. Nor, in itself, would an amateurish hate site. But when you've got both, plus the Slate piece, plus what I perceive as the majority opinion of Wikipedians, I think the one here has earned its stripes. Now if anyone wants to start a Criticism section over in the Emeril article, I'll be first in line to share my thoughts on that sitcom of his. :-) Ribonucleic 21:47, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

"what I perceive as the majority opinion of Wikipedians" -- Someone believes in Wikiality :) Kraffenetti 22:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm still pretty new at this thing, so it's not clear to me where consensus stops and Wikiality begins. All I know for sure is: She bugs me. :-)

Ya know, I dont even come to Wikipedia to get "straight" news off anyone; I only come because Wiki has a knack for putting people's dirty laundry out for the world to see. Really, this site is great if you want to dig up dirt on someone, because every person has at least 1 paragraph full of criticism. I love it!! who needs facts and that BS when you can just bash on a person, ANY person, and claim you are fair and independent. And before you go, "well, we like to list the good and the bad to be fair" let me just say that if you look up any famous person, you'll find a criticism section. Im surprised we havent found a criticism on Rachael Ray (who I am indifferent towards) that reads, "A sign in South Jersey off the Turnpike reads R.R. Sucks!" I mean, that's as vague as some of the criticisms get! Take the whole Metalopolis thing...who cares if they dont like food network? It's a comedy show, they make fun of a ton of things. It is in jest, not serious! Yet sadly, the only good thing Wikipedia is used for, and I've said it many a times to my friends, is to look up dirty little no-so-secret tid bits on ANYONE listed! Totally reminds me of that song "Dirty Laundry" by the lead singer of the Eagles.

[edit] Uncalled for Attack on Food

The line "Ray relies heavily on hamburgers, cheese, bacon, ice cream and other obviously unhealthy 'go-to' items." is a personal opinion on these foods. Hamburgers, cheese, bacon, and ice cream are not inherently unhealthy items. All of these items contain nutrients necessary for a healthy life. People cannot live without some fat and protein in a diet, and there is nothing wrong with using these ingredients if they fit into a balanced diet. For people on the so-called healthy low carb diets hamburgers, cheese, and bacon are some of the only foods you can eat. The top 2 components of ice cream are water and air. I doubt someone could call either of these items "obviously unhealthy." Please don't put things like this in an article just to try to further a criticism against someone.

You're right. All we can say objectively is that these items are high in saturated fat. I'll fix the article. DanielCristofani 03:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fan Sites

Wikipedia is not a collection of links. I have removed all fansites save the one with the highest Alexa ranking, as the policy here is one fan site link. If a good neutral argument can be made for a different site, that's fine, but there should be no more than one fan site- that's Google's job. --TheTruthiness 06:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too Many Loaded Words

The article tells us of things that Rachael Ray relies "heavily" on, and that her format of 30 minute meals is under "strong attack." I wouldn't think these types of things belong. Kraffenetti 14:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I also noticed that the Slate article is misrepresented. It says that the author was unable to prepare *any* recipes in under an hour, while the article clearly states that she was able to make the Super Sloppy Joe recipe in 49 minutes. Kraffenetti 18:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

In response to "Restore sourced criticism that was deleted in last edit. If you don't think it belongs, explain why instead of saying it's "unsourced and inaccurate"." I thought I explained myself when I said I was removing inaccurate and unsourced material. If you feel you can edit it to be accurate, by all means, but I think it's better to remove it than leave up questionable content. Kraffenetti 21:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with your comments. It's fair to note that some people dislike her, and some of their complaints. But the previous criticism section read as if it was written by one of those critics with the purpose of persuading readers that there was something wrong with Ray. Lucky Adrastus 02:24, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I made some edits that hopefully improve this section. Anyone should of course feel free to improve on what I've written. On this topic, does anyone have any source for the criticism regarding the anchovies in the Caesar salad? Is there any evidence Ray actually claimed it was vegetarian? (It's not like I have the episodes on tape!). Lucky Adrastus 03:30, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I looked at the recipe that was linked. The anchovy paste is labeled as optional. The recipe itself is vegetarian friendly, but like you said, it's not like I have a copy of the episode to go on. Overall, the section is worlds better than it was a week ago. It no long has the almost mean-spirited tone that some wanted to keep. Kraffenetti 23:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I found a comment on the Food Network site complaining about the meal not being vegetarian.[9] I did a Google search and this is all I found. Maybe not necessary to include this part (i.e. is this really a big scandal?) but I'll let someone else make that decision. It's a pretty small point, and the this page seems basically fixed for now. Lucky Adrastus 00:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

It's been a while, and I think it's probably best to just remove the vegetarian criticism thing. There seems to be no source for it beyond the one comment on the foodnetwork page. I think it comes off as petty and/or silly, since the anchovies are listed as optional in the recipe. I'll remove it, but anyone can feel free to put it back if there's a different consensus. Lucky Adrastus 20:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anthony Bourdain as Food Network "colleague"

A Cook's Tour is listed on the Food Network web site: http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/show_tb/0,1976,FOOD_9996,00.html . That seems collegial enough for me. Ribonucleic 04:29, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coneslayer's objection to ass addition

Well, I found comments at http://www.toomanychefs.net/archives/001143.php and http://www.plattitudes.com/plattitudes/2005/12/rachael_ray_why.html that would back up 70.23.66.139's claim that fans have spoken approvingly of the ass. However, in the course of finding them, I came across a greater number of comments that referred to the ass in disparaging terms. So I think we have to judge the claim unsupported. Ribonucleic 19:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

The claims are real, but not fit for an encyclopediac web page. I don't know Ms. Ray would approve any of her fans speak to her like that, about her buttocks or breasts or any body part. Rachael Ray is beautiful and to many men, she's attractive and has the quality to be their pin-up girl...it's OK for FHM refer her as "Sexy" or got enough sex appeal. She's celebrated by women everywhere too for her ability for success as a culinary businesswoman in her way to build a media empire, even Oprah Winfrey is her big fan. + 63.3.14.2 02:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is Rachael just gaining weight or is she pregnant????

I recently watched an episode of her daytime show in the beginning of November and I notice how heavy she got. Is she pregnant? I know she recently got married...which looks to be ending very soon.

Thanks

it should be Rachael not Rachel

thanks -Rachael

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I don't think she is pregnant, she looks to have slimmed down a little since her TV show started. i know that she was quoted in some magazine where she stated that she doesn't watch her weight or what she eats because that would take the fun out of life. it's not word for word, but it's a pretty close paraphrase of what she said. --HatchetFaceBuick 18:53, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Nothing in the article said she's pregnant...for now. Ms. Ray is known for her weight or body size that most actresses or women in the public eye want to avoid. Good for Rachael...she don't need to lose pounds if she's not obese or overweight. This is a cook and food enthuasist willing to try or dine any food she likes, but she's fit and trim...not pregnant unless she announces it to everyone like her fans. (since it's personal for most women to just say they are to the world). + 63.3.14.2 02:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image needed

It is requested that a photograph or photographs be included in this article to improve its quality.

We're thinking of a Rachael Ray image, but should be a free use image. Please find one as soon as you can. Thanks! Bigtop 19:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hubby's reference

has anyone else seen the statement on Rachael Ray's husband's, John Cusimano, band page? From her "Personal Life" paragraph, we know that he is the singer of the band, The Cringe. if you go to that reference, it mentions the following statement:

"They are confirmed satanist[sic], along with lead singer's wife, Rachael Ray"

now i don't have a particular preference to the girl, but how 'bout someone confirms this "fact" and if it IS true, why wasn't it mentioned in her actual bio?!?!?

--HatchetFaceBuick 18:45, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Someone typed it in for a joke. Unverifiable and to make such a statement is libellious/slandeorus. I've heard some of the Cringe's songs and lyrics, and they don't sing about devil worship. I wonder this came from a religious right web site under some evangelist (Jerry Falwell? Pat Robertson?) known to spout bogus claims on rock or metal music bands in the past. I don't believe Rachael Ray bothers to mention or discuss her religious beliefs, but I betcha she's not a Satanist or devil worshiper (a detail most people keep secret to avoid social distrust, destroy their stardom or ruin their reputation). + 63.3.14.2 02:22, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

actually, the citation came from the Wiki's entry about The Cringe [10], which since i last looked at it, has been edited.

[edit] Place of birth

I am very skeptical about the revised date of birth. Originally this article had Cape Cod, Mass. as Ray's place of birth, but now it has been changed to Glens Falls, NY, citing a magazine article. However, her official Food Network biography still has Cape Cod as her birthplace. Information that Ray cites on her shows, such as revealing her working at a Lake Placid, NY Howard Johnson (restaurant) on Rachael Ray's Tasty Travels as a youth supports Ray growing up in upstate New York. I am still convinced that the author of the linked article confused Ray's place of birth and where Ray grew up.THE evil fluffyface 19:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Here is another article which actually names the hospital (Glens Falls Hospital) where she was born. If she happened to be born in Glens Falls, but spent her infancy in Cape Cod, it might be natural for the Food Network and others to put Cape Cod as her birthplace, even though it's not technically correct. --Cam 20:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

What's verified over and over is Ray's cooking influences came from her family heritage: Italian (Sicilian or Sardinian), French (Corsican?), Spanish (some say a grandfather of hers is from Valencia or Murcia, but doubtful without any sources) and your typical New York American girl. Ms. Ray is a pretty lady, but unfortunately she's called "fat" by Hollywood standards, and you know what (to the media moguls)...you're talking to the wrong woman! + 63.3.14.2 02:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request deletion of link to article about nude pictures

I feel this link should be deleted for the following reasons:

• The pictures were fake hence the deletion of the pictures.
• The quote cited in the article is obviously fake. A food network spokesperson would not refer to Ray as a "bodacious babe".
• Finally, National Nitwit @ Blogspot is not a reputable website, and should not be cited within an encyclopedia.

Jean15paul 20:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree it should be deleted, per WP:BLP. You had removed it once, and I'm not entirely sure the person who put it back meant to (reverting anon edit after your edit). --Spiffy sperry 21:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

The Food Network quote on Rachael Ray is a "bodacious babe" was in TV Guide article back in 2005 is an advertising gimmick (Ms. Ray may approved of this in tongue-of-cheek humor), not a personal comment since it won't be polite or professional out of his/her mouth in a formal interview. + 63.3.14.2 02:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EVOO in the dictonary

The dictionary that EVOO will be featured in this year (2007) will be the Oxford American College Dictionary, not the American Heritage Dictionary as someone wrote.[11]--THE evil fluffyface 14:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)