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Contents 1 Rogue Migliaris Image 2 Tag Removal 3 Sunfire strength 4 Edit 5 Added 6 Image 7 Cleanup 8 Ultimate Rogue 9 White Streak in Hair 10 Merge Ultimate Rogue with this one? 10.1 Survey 10.2 Discussion 11 Alter Ego? 12 Ultimate Rogue merge, revisited 12.1 Vote 12.2 Discussion 13 Ms. Marvel Sixth Sense 14 HOUSE of M 15 Hair 16 Rogue Kissing Wolverine 17 Rogue and Gambit

[edit] Rogue Migliaris Image

Beatrix.knight 12:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC) I have used a updated the image with the front cover of the first issue of her 2004 miniseries, while it is not the most recent, i personally find it the most powerful image incorporating Rogue. This image was pencilled by R. Migliaris and coloured by "Transparency Digital". Thank You!

I'm just gonna throw out there that, as it's a comic book character, the I believe the first image the reader is shown should be that of a comic book, preferably a cover. I think that's a great image, but I don't believe it serves the project. I also wonder about its fair use rationale. Which comic book is this image from? Is it from a comic book? If it's just a stand-alone image, it is less fair use than a comic book cover because of the effect our use could have on the market-value of a single image over a comic book. --Psyphics_ΨΦ 02:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Beatrix.knight 19:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC) The image is from Rogue *1 (2004 (of the series running 2004-2005)), This is the cover image of the comic book.

Which I couldn't tell from looking at it. None of the rest of the cover is there, like the title, Marvel logo, so on. It's also stylized, and not at all what Rogue generally looks like. In fact, it's drawn to look like she's real, thus undermining our emphasis on Rogue as a comic book character. A cover image (not just the promotional art for the cover image) of the character, with all the trimmings of the cover included would be great. Especially if it's iconic, but I don't know an iconic Rogue cover so... --Psyphics_ΨΦ 02:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tag Removal

Beatrix.knight 13:11, 29 December 2006 (UTC) I have removed the cleanup and tense tags, as i feel they clutter up the page. In my opinion these tags should either be confined to the discussion page, for us "Rogue Moderators" (as it were) to see and act upon. Most passing readers are put off by the tags. The information on the page is for loyal followers of X-men and Marvel comics, if a reader finds it hard to understand, i feel that this page is the source that allows them to extend their Marvel knowledge. Again, in my opinion i find this page long and detailed and easy to understand, the history andlife of the comic book charater we all know and love. (please post your opinion...) (Thank you for your time)

[edit] Sunfire strength

Hey, can someone point me to the issue or whatever where it says Rogue's Sunfire powers give her super-strength? I don't remember Sunfire ever displaying super-strength, but it's not like I have every one of his appearances or anything.

Xtremesage 01:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

no, i do not remember sun fire showing super strength either but.....there's bound to be some issue i have not read.

Uchiha_legacy 17:20, 29 November 2006

Beatrix.knight 12:52, 29 December 2006 (UTC) Although Sunfire never had superhuman strength, the nature of Rogue's powers allow her to enhance her body by ionizing the atoms. (i think!)

[edit] Edit

Took all of the history stuff out of the powers section (it can get confusing enough as it is!), most of which was already in the history section at the top. I also moved the info on her Age Of Apocalypse powers to the section on the Age Of Apocalypse Rogue.

Cleaned up her powers section so it clearly defines her various powers at the very stages of her career.

Xtremesage 06:17, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Added

I added "is a comic book character in the Marvel Comics universe." I think this is important; the ordinary mode of speech has it that, when you mention X, you imply that X exists. Thus it is important to convey up front, one way or another, that fictional and otherwise nonexistent objects are indeed fictional. --LMS

[edit] Image

Is there a way to produce images of Rogue which are not copyrighted? I mean that if I link a snapshot (which I have taken), is it copyrighted material?

-As long as material is cited, and permission is given if needed, then I think you're safe. --PW 00:54, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

But no, there's no way of producing a truly free image of Rogue - even if you drew and coloured it yourself, Rogue's depiction and costume is still a trademark of Marvel. - SoM 01:04, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

-Oh, I understand what you mean now. Sorry about that. I'm not sure how you could cite material you made of a copywrited image... I would contact Wikipedia. I would love to know. --PW 22:35, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

I went in and did a big re-write on some parts of Rogue's backstory, excising a large chunk dealing with her history when de-powered. This summary seemed to take up a disproportionately large chunk of the article, and was also written in a somewhat informal voice. It may also be worth fact-checking this article with something like the Spotlight On article at UncannyXmen.net. --McC 22:00, 14 Mar 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ultimate Rogue

Rogue in Ultimate Marvel has diverged enough from her Earth-616 counterpart that I think she merits a separate article. Different powers entirely right now (though her original powers, I'd guess, may come back), different history, different relationships, a known name. She's a different character almost entirely except for the streak in her hair and the country accent (which is now interrupted from time to time with faux cajun). Psyphics 17:42, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Beatrix.knight 13:13, 29 December 2006 (UTC) I agree they are two different characters, they should be seperate.

[edit] White Streak in Hair

I think this info should be added back into the article. It's something people are curious about. I saw in the history that someone "deleted the false trivia about the white streak." Well, the part I added about the official Marvel Comics answer about how Rogue got her white streak is not false (they said she bleached it in). It was on an answer-and-question page in one issue of X-Men, iirc. I'm going to look for the issue so that the source can be cited. Now, about the way the X-Men movies deal with Rogue's streak...that is entirely in need of researching. From just viewing the movie, it is seen that Rogue's streak appears when the wave from Magneto's machine hits her hair. I may do some poking around to see if Marvel or the filmmakers answered this explicitly. 151.205.51.198 23:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)a Rogue fan

I took it out because it's not true anymore. I don't know how old your issue is, so, then, it may have been. Earlier in her appearance, Rogue talked about bleaching her hair. However, that was retconned later in the most recent Rogue series, where she has her white streak as a little girl.

And about movie Rogue... well, there was no explanation why she got her streak. Logically, the writers put it in because it's Rogue's trademark. In terms of movie... well... there hasn't ever been an explanation, like I said. She doesn't get it WHEN Magneto's machine hits her hair, she gets it pretty far in when it's already close to Liberty Island. We just don't know where it came from. Evan 06:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I can accept the whole retconned thing. But take a look the next time you rewatch the X-Men movie :) She doesn't have the streak until the wave from Magneto's machine hits her hair and turns it white in the front from the roots on down (it takes a couple of seconds).08:18, 1 July 2006 (UTC)a Rogue fan

I'm aware the machine is *active* when she gets the stripe, but it's not when the wave hits her. Given that it never does, because it appears to expand from the machine out. And, even so, it's more than a few moments in before her hair changes. Evan 14:04, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Just write the streak off as her mutant thing, like Beast's blue fur. Her son with Magneto in Exiles has it too. So it's a mutation which most likely first occured in Rogue.

Now we're back where we started. The whole point was that the Marvel editors said Rogue's white streak was bleached in...definitely *not* a mutant thing. As far as I know, neither is Beast's blue fur. That's a result of one of his experiments gone awry. Unless they "retconned" that as well. I still think that past explanations of things such as Rogue's white streak should be included in the article -- whether or not other explanations have been presented in the different media the X-Men now populate. 151.205.45.33 02:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)a Rogue fan

In the first X-Men movie the white streak is probably the result of her "near-death-experience." Her body experienced traumatic bio-electrical exposure and surely some of her cells, at the very least hair folicles, were killed and/or fundamentally altered through the exchange with Magneto. As for the comics, how hard is it to accept a simple genetic defect like the pigments in her fringe being a lighter colour then the rest of her hair? It would explain the streak being present as a child, and always occuring in her fringe (except for the eighties hairstyle, which I guess could be explained as simply "80's"). -Fan of the Darkholme Family-

[edit] Merge Ultimate Rogue with this one?

Per the WP:COMIC talk page, Ultimate character entries should be merged into the character's main article. --Newt ΨΦ 13:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add '''Support''' or '''Oppose''' and add a comment for your vote if you'd like. Sign with ~~~~ --Newt ΨΦ 14:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose. Evan 14:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 14:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
• Support Dr Archeville 15:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose--Mr Wednesday 21:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
• Support--Chris Griswold 01:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Support--Markeer 15:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose T-Man 09:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC) ult rogue is markedly different from 616 rogue
• Support per WikiProject Comics. --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 16:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Closed with NO CONSENSUS TO MERGE CovenantD 17:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

I created the article, and per my previous statement below (my username Psyphics) regarding the merit of a separate article, I do believe that Ultimate Rogue has diverged quite a bit from her 616 counterpart (name, powers, accent, relationships, Weapon X). However, I was unaware of the Wikiproject comics policy at the time, and much of the fictional character history should probably be cut out as it's too detailed. That said, I'll leave it up to the community to decide what to do with it. --Newt ΨΦ 13:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I don't believe we should. It's extensive, and Ultimate Rogue deviates so much from the canon Rogue, it's not illogical to have seperate pages. Plus, I don't believe that's a policy. It's discussed, but it's not official. It isn't necessary to merge the two.

And on a more blue-collar note, how hard can it be to click a link? Evan 13:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

You're correct it's not policy, but it is the current consensus in the comics Wikiproject. The issue is not "clicking a link" but, as I understand it, creating articles that are either too short to be necessary or too detailed to be fair use in order to fill the article. --Newt ΨΦ 14:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

It's consensus if the histories are not significantly divergant, which in this case they are. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 14:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

But are they divergent enough to make an article big enough to warrant creating a seperate page? Or can the divergences/changes all be condensed enough so it can fit on Rogue's page? Dr Archeville 15:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Different name, entirely different BG (weapon X etc), different powers. I'd say yes. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 15:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

The Ultimate characters are an expanding characters, most likely larger than any other alt universe counterpart. They of all people deserve seperate deviating sites.Mr Wednesday 21:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I would say the differences are about as big as those betwen the Golden and Silver Age Batman characters, and they are in the same article. --Chris Griswold 21:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd say the main issue for all of these Ultimate characters is level of uniqueness/originality and would follow the general standard of the 'Appearances in other media' sections of many comics articles. I don't believe anyone would argue that the movie version of Rogue deserves a separate article. The main reason for that standard (as I understand it) is that alt-media versions are not separate characters, only separate depictions or interpretations of characters. Lacking a creatively original basis, I'd say Ultimate chars should be referred to in terms of the original. -Markeer 15:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. The Ultimate Rogue is but an offshoot of the main Rogue. If we create a separate article for Ultimate Rogue it gives the false impression that Ultimate Rogue is an entirely different character to the original. If you observe then you can see that the powers are similar, the Gambit-Rogue relationship is still present, the appearance is similar aside from many other things. It's essentially the same character. The Golden Age and Silver Age versions of Batman may be different but they're still within the same Batman article, aren't they? Zuracech lordum 11:47, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alter Ego?

I'm curious about this sudden change in Rogue's bio. I understand replacing "Real Name" with "Alter Ego" if you're Superman, but as far as the X-Men go, they possess no alter ego. They're always who they are, they don't pretend to be another person. I'm changing it.

EDIT: It appears to be automatic?

Evan 17:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

That it is. Moreover, I would say that while it's not a "secret identity" it is an "alter-ego". Is who Cyclops always is "Scott Summers" or "Cyclops"? --Newt ΨΦ 18:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ultimate Rogue merge, revisited

As the author/creator of Ultimate Rogue, and noting that the differences between the two characters are thinning out, I am wondering how long I need to wait before proposing another merge with this article. I've finally seen the light and gotten off the fence about this. --Newt_ΨΦ 16:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I propose the merge. There, now debate. --Jamdav86 16:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vote

• Merge --Jamdav86 16:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge it's mostly plot summary anyway, and that fails WP:NOT. Nothing needs to be put in this article that wouldn't be covered in Ultimate X-Men or Rogue (comics). --Newt_ΨΦ 18:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge I'm in agreement --Mrph 19:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Don't Merge I'd propose a rewrite to put in more information, but seeing as Marvel Comics is planning to make the Ultimate Universe sort of a "second universe", I wouldn't be too quick to merge Ultimate articles with 616 articles just yet.--Tai112 11:52, 19 October 2006 (Eastern)
  • Comment It's not that we're being too quick, it's that this is one of the few that is yet to be merged back with it's 616 parent. Check other Ultimate characters and you'll see. --Newt_ΨΦ 15:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge I also agree --RossF18(16:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC))
• Merge Malevious 00:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge Minity (16:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC))
• Merge Michael Podgorski 02:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge At the moment, especially given the recent return of her original powers, a separate article isn't needed. As the Ultimate universe continues to differentiate itself from 616 and the "Ultimate universe" subsection of the Rogue article becomes bulky and unwieldy detailing the various differences, this matter should be brought up again.
• Don't Merge thye are two different people, with almost completely different history. THere fore it should be a different article.Phoenix741 20:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
• Don't Merge Beatrix.knight 13:15, 29 December 2006 (UTC) Rogue and Marian are two completely different women, they are different in almost every sense, their two respective universes are seperate, therefore they too should be

Discussion closed. Result was MERGE. --Mrph 19:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

• Merged, could still use some trimmimng --Mrph 23:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

[edit] Ms. Marvel Sixth Sense

While Rogue used all of Ms. Marvel's other powers, I can't think of one moment where she used Ms. Marvel's Sixth/Seventh sense. Did she ever? And if so, is it article entry worthy? Artemisboy 21:39, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

In the trial of Gambit in Uncanny X-men #350 she uses it and also states that it has not alerted her to anything for a long time, other than that I dont think she used it very often. Minity 16:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HOUSE of M

What do you all think about adding a section about what Rogue did in the House of M? (RossF18 07:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC))

Beatrix.knight 19:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC) Great Idea

[edit] Hair

In the movie magneto said something about her hair and the blondinsh strand she has. What's the deal with that?

He knew that she had the white streak in her hair because of him, he was mocking her. Minity 13:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rogue Kissing Wolverine

Why was Rogue kissing Wolverine? We should add that in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.78.105.97 (talk) 13:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC).

That happened awhile ago, there was something called Gologatha that made everyone act all weird, it wasnt anything major. Minity 13:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rogue and Gambit

Are they still dating? How does Rogue not kill him?We should include more on their current relationship. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.78.105.97 (talk) 19:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC).