Talk:Rusyn language
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The following was entered under Ruthenian language:
Ruthenian language, also known (less precisely) as Russian, is a Slavic language spoken in Ruthenia (Rus) in Middle Ages. From Ruthenian evolved Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian. Sometimes Carpatho-Ruthenian (Rusyn) is added into this list, however most Slavic linguists do not recognize Ruthenian as a distinct language and consider Carpatho-Ruthenian dialects as regional versions of Ukrainian.
The oldest known texts in Ruthenian were written in the 10th century.
Is any of this of value here? What and where are the oldest written texts in Rusyn (not to be confused with Russian of course)? That information should be entered. Wetman 18:35, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] Rusyn pronunciation?
How do you pronounce 'Rusyn'? How is the word different from 'Russian'? Seabhcán 17:51, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
- 'Rusyn' is pronounced like roo-sinn. Natively, however, the language is named Ruski (roo-skee), i. e. 'Russian'. The names 'Rusyn' and 'Ruthenian' were introduced with the sole purpose of distingushing it from the Russian language. — Monedula 06:58, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
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- Not true. Rusyn and Russian are by far not the same language. I doubt any speaker of Russian would understand a spoken Rusyn. For relatij between Rusyn and Russian see Etymology of Rus and derivatives --Compay 15:15, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
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- You misunderstood the point. It's not that Russian and Rusyn are the same language, it's that they share the same name, Ruski. So the names "Rusyn" and "Ruthenian" have been introduced, in order to avoid confusion. — Monedula 07:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Status of Rusin as a separate language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rusyn_language&oldid=21096461
That version of this page clearly says, although incorrectly, that "Rusyn" is in fact the name of two distinct languages. Juro, why didn't you contest that, then?
I do not understand the question. What is your point and why should the above article (version) be relevant for anything? If the question is why I have not changed this article, the answer is that I had not read it at that time.Juro 18:01, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Rusin vs Rusyn
This page seems confused -- it talks about Carpathian Rusyn, and then it includes information about Panonian Rusin without mentioning that it is from a different variety. It makes no sense that we have the page Pannonian Rusyn language which talks only about Rusin, and then the page Rusyn language, which talks about both languages, but no Carpatho-Rusyn language page. No matter how much you may want to enforce a unity on people who don't want it, it does not exist here. When Rusyn organisations speak of the "Rusyn community", they are by default excluding the Pannonian Rusins, and they have been excluding ever since they left Carpathia. There are two separately codified literary languages. When we speak of Sorbian, nobody tries to pretend that there is only one language, most people speak of two languages which are closely related. Before the codification though, most people considered it a single language. So, now, that there are two separate literary languages, Rusyn and Rusin, why do people perpetuate the falsehood that these are the same language, as if they are spoken by the same people? They have different sounds, different words, their alphabets are even different!
[edit] Number of speakers
The text of the article says that the number of speakers is hard to tell, and gives an estimate of "almost a million", yet the infobox gives a ridiculously exact figure. I don't really know anything about this language, or else I'd change it myself, but the number in the infobox very much needs to be changed. Kairos 19:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- Ethnologue says it's only 50,000. That's the only source I see. AEuSoes1 07:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
According to the Carpatho-Rusyn societies there are about 1.5 million rusyns in Europe (it sound more true than 55 000, because lots of rusyns live in Ukraine (about 800 000 ) wher they aren't recognised...Rusyn
- Anon, I'm pretty sure your source gives the number of Rusyn-speakers in Ukraine only. The infobox says "Total speakers", not "Total speakers in Ukraine". Khoikhoi 19:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
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- The majority of Rusyn speakers apparently are in Ukraine (Ethnologue says that), but since Ukraine apparently considers Rusyn to be just a dialect of Ukrainian, perhaps those figures are for only one dialect of Rusyn itself that Ukraine considers different enough to count as non-Ukrainian? Either way, I don't think the government of Ukraine, which is likely somewhat anti-Rusyn in its outlook (because anti-Rusyn is pro-one Ukrainian identity) should be considered a very reliable source for the numbers. Lexicon (talk) 21:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Italics in Cyrillics
A guideline on whether or not to italicize Cyrillics (and all scripts other than Latin) is being debated at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (text formatting)#Italics in Cyrillic and Greek characters. - - Evv 16:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pannonian Rusyn language
This language is described in this article (formerly using a different name, but I'm almost certain it is Pannonian Rusyn, so I changed the terms), but the article on Pannonian Rusyn says it is a West Slavic language with East Slavic influences (not an East Slavic language with West Slavic influences). If this is true, then Pannonian Rusyn is not a dialect of Rusyn, and should not be mentioned in the list of dialects. Lexicon (talk) 12:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
