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[edit] Recent changes

I do not think most of them were improvements. I'll be referencing this[[1]]

The first changed sentence is "Due to it being partially his fault that Ryoga became a piglet in the first place, and given that Ryouga has no lecherous intentions and makes Akane happy Ranma has kept secret about P-chan's identity, but sometimes "subtly" hints to Akane about it to provoke Ryouga."

This is speculation, since the series never shows Ranma thinking or stating his reasons for not revealing Ryouga's secret. Second, it's wrong in stating Ryoga has 'no lecherous intentions'. In the Hot Springs Race, Ryoga as a human tries to spy on akane while she's bathing. Third, it appears to be saying provoking Ryoga is the only reason Ranma is hinting. That's making an assumption about Ranma and deliberately not consdiering any other possible reasons. Finally, this is not NPOV, it's assuming the best of Ryoga, even when the manga shows he's very fallible in this area, and the worst of Ranma.

The second changed sentence is better - " Ryouga's anger quickly lessens with time, first into a fierce rivalry, then into a tense competition, then into uneasy allies and finally on friendly enough terms to risk his life to save Ranma, and being much more relaxed in general due to his girlfriend Akari, but the competition between the two will likely remain forever."

While relations between Ranma and Ryoga do improve over the series, they do not go as smoothly as this depicts, with both regressing at times. Ryoga goes so far as to ambush and betray Ranma in the Musk Dynasty story, potentially leaving Ranma trapped forever as a girl. Also, saying Akari has any part in improvement is speculation, and on shaky ground considering how much of the improvement in the relationship occured before her introduction.

I'll post more comments as I have time. Edward321 00:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I originally typed out a very long check-through to this, but then decided the work was better spent actually looking for lots of the explicit references for the actual page and restructuring the points I checked up and you were right about (i.e. the Akari/rivalry and behaviour lapse stuff and rewording Ranma's reasons for keeping the secret into possibilities).

Regarding his 'lecherousness'. In volume 7, chapter 8 Ryouga outright states/thinks that he sees his P-Chan identity as Akane's protector and that he's willing to lay down his life for her safety. P-chan then repeatedly tries to defend Akane. At the end of the chapter we're shown that 'sleeping' with Akane gives him no comfort whatsoever as she always moves extremely violently, and while he's very happy about the hugs even limited nudity or the least bit of romance/affection always makes him get heavily embarrassed. Even fantasising about going on an innocent date will send him into a heavily embarrassed state.

Ryouga wouldn't even allow Ranma to enter the girls' changing room even when he thought there was a Nannichuan in there and consistently gets completely flustered and embarrassed even at the thought of having a date or holding hands. He's shown as the very opposite of a 'pervert' in this area (he's probably the biggest prude in the series) and the Happosai intrusion chapter seemed to have been intentionally placed there to clear up this aspect, as well as alleviate Ranma's suspicions (much like that 'tunnel of lost love' seemed devised to puncture the popular Ryouga/Ukyou pairing). In 'I oni have eyes for you' (volume 29), Ryouga gets possessed by a demon and states that the most evil thing he could possibly conceive is to peek on Akane (and he gets incredibly depressed afterwards for having been forced to do so). He's explicitly shown as there strictly for the hugs/love and due to fierce loyalty.

As for the hot springs race, Mousse tried to goad him into peeking on the girls, but Ryouga objects. After a brief fantasy he shakes his mind and goes after Mousse to stop him.

Mousse: Sh-Shampoo...? Ryouga: You mean... girls...? Mousse: I have to know! Ryouga: W-w-wait a minute...! Ryouga: No man will peep at naked girls... while Ryouga Hibiki is here!! Mousse: Akane might be there too. *Brief fantasy* Ryouga: So sorry! I thought I heard a bear! Akane: Oh, sure you did! Ryouga: Wh-what? What am I thinking?! Ryouga: ... Stop! I won't let you do it!

I'm still uncertain about P-chan, as I never read any of the occasional 'hints' I've noted down so far as anything but standard foot-in-mouth clumsiness on Ranma's part (like when he's trying to convince Taro that it's possible to live with a curse through support from Ryoga, without considering that Akane is nearby). I mean, he's usually trying to save Ryoga from transforming in front of Akane, and gets sad at the prospect of her getting to know the secret. That's really nice of him, but would make no sense if he simultaneously gleefully tried to reveal it. I think it's much safer to say that he's very honourable and considerable, but clumsy and occasionally teases Ryoga about it in their standard banter, as Ryoga does in turn aboutother matter. Regardless, I'm probably eventually going to insert a 'P-chan reference list' section, so people can judge for themselves. Dave 16:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Updates

Nice job updating this page. My only complaint is the insertion of volume and chapter locations in the article. It would be better if they were done as footnote-type references instead so as not to break up the continuity. Zwaksman 14:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. I've fixed that now, but it takes lots of time, so I'd appreciate extensive help with both this and the other profiles. Dave 16:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Battle-prowess

Ryoga is one of the most proficient martial artists in the Ranmaverse, roughly but not quite comparable to Ranma, though he's defeated or fought Ranma to a draw on many occasions

Is it just me, or is he really comparable to Ranma? I mean, in the manga he was only beaten once by Ranma, and all the other times they were equal. So I remove the bold part. 212.162.178.238 16:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Nah, I've went through their battles, and while Ryoga has won or reached draws plenty of times, Ranma usually keeps the climax battles. They're equal head on, but Ranma is more of a strategist/'cheater'. Ex: Shi-shi Hokodan arc: Ryoga easily beats Ranma several times in a row and is even more powerful in the final battle: Ranma distracts him/'cheats' to barely triumph but collapses himself right after, but generally Ryoga's edge seems to lie in his greater raw power and more dependable a powerful chi-blasts, while Ranma is a tad swifter, has the Hiryo Shoten Ha and is usually a better battle strategist.

He's somewhat inconsistent as he never seems to use all his advantages at the same time: I.e. 'schoolyard battle': Razor-sharp bandanas. 'Ice rink battle': Overwhelming strength and tenacity. 'Breaking point arc': Immense durability only. No bandanas or strength. 'Weakness moxibustion': Speed and skill. 'Shi-shi hokodan': Power-blasts. 'Koi rod': Speed, skill and bandanas. 'Lime': Speed and power-blast. 'Mushroom of ages': Seem completely evenly matched on every front, except Ryoga's edge in chi-projection.

He's the character who never uses his full resources. Imagine him simultaneously using his 400 ton boulder hurling strength, virtual invulnerability, near amaguriken-level speed, Ranma-level hand to hand skill, torrent of steel-chopping bandanas and ribbons, and chi generation on a level by far exceeding Herb & Cologne and possibly rivalling Happosai? Scary, but it's never done, since he might seem too overwhelming with so many advantages, which doesn't work when he's just the 3'rd-4'th main recurring character. Still, I'd say 'roughly comparable' in general, with specific mentions that he's not quite as swift or skilled (?) in raw hand to hand combat seems fair.Dave 16:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)