Talk:San Gabriel Valley

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That map you've got there is just *wrong*. The 710 freeway in no way continues to the 210 freeway and that is clear from an image associated with the Long Beach Freeway article located here. The representation of the San Gabriel Valley is weird and skewed. It looks like you've put it way into the Angeles National Forest on the east end and don't even include Pasadena north of Interstate 210 or Altadena. Plus, South Pasadena is part of the San Gabriel Valley on the west end. Arguably, your map should also include San Dimas, Pomona, California, Claremont, California, La Verne and Diamond Bar in the east. Ingyhere 01:34, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, where are the citations for your definition of the San Gabriel Valley? Is this arbitrary, from a USGS definition, from a Census definition or from a governnmental definition (as in Los Angeles County)? Where is Cal Poly? Why is Rio Hondo College listed when Whittier isn't even part of the San Gabriel Valley? There are too many statements in this article missing basic citations or the foundations from other citations. Ingyhere 01:53, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I've worked on this article exclusively. It was part of my thesis paper on urban development during my university years. However, given the short attention spans of many people, I tried to make the Wikipedia article as less "scholarly" as possible and spruce it up by adding tourist sites etc.

It is my hope to include some in-depth analysis on the changing face of the San Gabriel Valley and what it means for the United States (as well as cite the sources I've been using) on my own Web site.

S.

What do you mean by saying you've worked on this article exclusively? Other people have contributed to this article as well. Moncrief 00:44, Apr 2, 2004 (UTC)

I've done most of the research, spending the time to interview many people within the community and talking to several elected officials to gain their insights, driving to and visiting the sites, the bulk of the writing, while you just sit there like a vegetable mindlessly staring at your screen and deleting and altering the hard work of others just because you feel you're doing a "service" to this great site. But I'm not about to be engaged in your little flame wars.

I see you just deleted my work just some time ago after I spent time doing further research and verifying the information. Wikipedia is a great concept, it's just some other users/members that are frustrating who feel they are in charge.

S.

Like I say and as I have heard some other people warn me about their Wikipedia experience: people will be quick to delete stuff but not so quick in adding new information.

" Social problems such as crime, drug abuse, vandalism by graffiti and other means, failing schools, poverty, and youth gangs are steadily on the rise throughout the San Gabriel Valley. " I'm curious, how does one figure that? From what i can tell crime is down in the SGV and as are youth gangs. In fact, the San Gabriel Valley Tribune did a story on it.

If anyone disagrees with something in the article, he should discuss it here before deleting it. That's standard wiki etiquette.

Also, please sign your name to your comments with four tildes so the rest of us can see the user names and time stamps of the comments.

I want to discuss the possible addition of something to the article. I heard in a Jul 19, 2005 radio broadcast on 1070 KNX-AM that the currently dominant industry in the San Gabriel Valley is international trade logistics (thanks to City of Industry and Walnut, I'll bet). The KNX newsperson that reported this tidbit interviewed a person associated with its source, but I didn't catch the name of that person or the source. Does this tidbit not qualify for addition to the article because of my inability to cite its source? If it qualifies for addition, is it worth adding? If it's worth adding, I think that the greatest contributor to the article should add it. John Rigali 08:02, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

I think the bit about KUSC should be deleted, as they are not in the region. Likewise, the reference to Inglewood is not particularly relevant. Overall, there's a huge gap of information about the Mexican American community in the SGV. They have been here (there) a long time, since before Guadalupe-Hidalgo, and have been a majority or large minority in almost all the SGV cities. Likewise, it would be good to add information about the Californios, as well as old California families from the 1800s. The SGV is the power-base for Hispanic politics, and is one of the rare places that seems to produce Hispanic polticos like they're going out of style. I added the fact that African-Americans have resided in Pasadena since before emancipation, and I think that merits expansion. Jackie Robinson is from Pasadena! There are also Italian, Serbian, Armenian, and Middle-Eastern communities in the SGV. I modified the comment about "white flight" -- you can change it back if you wish. The migration of people out of the SGV was partly racist white flight, but was also encouraged to the price-inflation of houses during the 1980s. Usually, "white flight" refers to people moving from an area because they think property values will sink, but, generally, house prices in the SGV have been pretty good and generally increased relative to other areas. Also, many of the people leaving the area are not white; many are Asian and Hispanic, and they're leaving because of a kind of suburban "gentrification" due to "mansionization". Also, the current trend has been that white and black families are moving into the SGV, and Asian immigrants spreading out. Last, I'm not into having a lot of businesses listed, because it encourages advertisement. (Besides, you all excluded Jim's Burgers, Southern Cal Edison, City of Hope, Sriracha. j/k) I agree that the role of logistics should be highlighted. It's emerging as a significant force in the global economy, and obviously has affected the area. Despite all my comments, I thought it was a very good article overall, and hope to add a little here and there to balance it out. 66.245.214.143 21:52, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Somebody Worked HARD on This Article

I can't believe you worked so hard on articles about Chinese Americans in L.A. An I.P. beginning with 172.something was tirelessly writing so many articles and so much text.

A few more articles by 172.xx I had enjoyed:

American-born Chinese, 99 Ranch Market, Chinese American, Chinatown, Monterey Park, California, San Gabriel, California — Stevey7788 (talk) 00:26, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] White flight

The end of the timeline says White Flight is from 1980s to present day. What proof is there that there is still White flight in the area? I believe whites are now moving because housing is cheaper further east outside San Gabriel Valley, then becuase whites are moving becuase the area is getting non-white, which was the case in the past, but not really now. The area has been mostly hispanic and asian for years now, I know I live in La Puente, in the heart of the San Gabriel Valley. What signifies the end of this so called "White flight"? -- AlexTheMartian | Talk 02:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I changed "Present" to 1990s, according tho what is said at the top of the People section of the article. I also believe the White flight movement in the San Gabriel Valley diminished durring the late 1990s. -- AlexTheMartian | Talk 02:51, 3 January 2006 (UTC)