Talk:Sebastian Coe
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The celebrity tory runner
"Not as fast as me" - Jeffrey Archer
[edit] Great Court Run
I like to nitpick because I am an old fart. There is no way that Lord Burghley could have run 367 metres in 43 seconds. That extrapolates to 46.8 seconds for 400 metres, slightly faster maybe given that it's only 367 metres. No one in the world ran under 47 seconds until Ben Eastman in 1932. Leaving that aside, it seems a little ridiculous that Burghley could have run as fast as Coe and Cram did 60 years later. Finally, Burghley ran the third leg of the British 4x400 team that ran 3:11 at the 1932 Olympics, and probably split mid-to-low 47 considering that the first runner was likely slower than the average of 47.75. I doubt he had a running start and also that he ran faster at the Great Court than he did at the Olympics.
- Anthony "the trumper"
[edit] Privy Councillor
I noticed someone had placed the Right Honourable before his name, but Lord Coe isn't a Privy Councillor.
As a Baron he is entitled to use the Rt. Hon. as a part of the formal use of his title, but not casually in this way.
What I meant was, "casually" like Privy Council appointment is used before the name. Jason_Hughes
- But this isn't a "casual" usage, it's his formal name and title at the beginning of an encyclopaedia article. Proteus (Talk) 09:41, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Regardless of the use of the word casual, which clearly balks you so, Lord Coe is not a member of the Privy Council. All profiles of Lord Coe, including the Privy Council Office itself does not list him as a Privy Councillor, and they are a definitive list of Privy Council members, including the Prime Minister of Canada, for example. Lord Coe does not feature as a Privy Councillor, on any list. --Jason Hughes 09:56, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Hughes makes a valid point, he is quite right in pointing out that His Lordship is not a member of Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council. User:Toryboy
No one said he was. Proteus (Talk) 20:43, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
How amazingly clever to continue inserting the Right Honourable into the article then. You're marvellously clever aren't you? --Jason Hughes 21:58, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
By the way, I happen to have a copy of Debrett's Correct Form sitting on my desk. I'm not sure what buying another copy would accomplish. Proteus (Talk) 20:53, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
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- I think we all agree that Coe is not a Privy Councillor, so there is no sense belabouring this point. There is also no sense in using inflamatory language ("You're marvellously clever aren't you?" "stupid, pompous little man," "self-important man"), when we're all working in good faith. As I understand it, Lord Coe is "Right Honourable" by virtue of being a baron. If this is wrong, Jason Hughes, would you please provide some evidence, rather than engaging in a revert war. I am no expert on this matter and would like to know if I am in error. HistoryBA 17:58, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I really shouldn't have to do this, since no one else has provided any evidence that "The Right Honourable" is improper before Lord Coe's name, but I'm getting really sick of ignorant people assuming they know everything:
- Legal Documents
- Peers and peeresses (in their own right, and wives and widows of peers) are accorded their full formal styles with their forenames but with no surname:
- The Most Noble Charles John, Duke of Blank
- The Most Noble Anne Frances, Duchess of Blank
- The Most Honourable Charles John, Marquess (of) Blank
- The Most Honourable Anne Frances, Marchioness (of) Blank
- The Right Honourable Charles John, Earl (of), Viscount or Baron Blank
- The Right Honourable Anne Frances, Countess (of) Blank, Viscountess or Baroness Blank
- Peers by courtesy and their wives are not accorded the prefix 'Most Honourable' or 'Right Honourable' (unless they are members of the Privy Council).
From Debrett's Correct Form. Now please leave this article alone and stop forcing me to waste my time. Proteus (Talk) 00:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Having read your discussion entry, Proteus, I have to conceed that you are infact correct in your use of "The Right Honourable" in this and other cases. I will therefore cease in reverting your edits and hope that you can accept my appologies for taking up your time. Toryboy 14.45, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Baron or Lord
I think the use of Baron Coe in the article should be amended to Lord Coe. Male British peers of rank baron are always referred to as Lord, not Baron (women are usually referred to a Baroness). From Burke's Peerage: Indeed to refer in the third person to any baron in the peerage ... as 'Baron Blank' rather than 'Lord Blank' is a solecism. See also the style used in the Members List of the House of Lords. Oldbus 23:30, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
- Currently, we always use "Baron" in the title of articles on Wikipedia. Sometimes I think the page title should use "Lord" (the boldened name in the opening should definitely remain as Baron) but that's not the current policy so Sebastian Coe, Baron Coe is it. However, any other references in the article should definitely be to Lord Coe, so if you see any Barons, please change them! JRawle (Talk) 15:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
